The new M4 chart is out.
https://spreadsheets.google.com/spr...akp2a3Y2NjMxTEE&single=true&gid=2&output=html
https://spreadsheets.google.com/spr...akp2a3Y2NjMxTEE&single=true&gid=2&output=html
So much wrong with this post.Since no one here will be engaged in combat operations with their personal rifle, there is no realistic difference except for price and name.
I have owned LMT, Colt, Bushmaster, RRA, and BCM AR piddle shooters and they are all the same design and for the most part work well for the average AR owner.
I say most part because even Daniel Defense, Noveske, and LMTs put lemons out.
Just like handguns, Glock is no better than a SIG Which is no better than a H&K Which is no better then a S&W which is no better than Beretta.
Yall come up with an handgun chart. Or a M1a chart. Or better yet an AK chart.
So much wrong with this post.
He'll quote The Chart!:rofl::rofl:Enlighten me.
My point. Showing the mindless fanboy mentality and unable to think for themselves without a chart and looking for approval from the other equally stunted fanboys who will not admit they do have a "shunned" brand AR instead of a "top chart" brand they want.He'll quote The Chart!:rofl::rofl:
Keep in mind that you're treading on thin ice here with some folks. There are some here that can't seem to comprehend that most AR owners aren't too concerned with having top-line stuff since they won't use and abuse their weapon like those in the Military do.
I will counter my own observation with the idea that getting something very good, mil-spec, really isn't that much more.
Easy, easy, they go to training classes to learn skills they'll never use, so they need those top-tier ARs.:supergrin:My point. Showing the mindless fanboy mentality and unable to think for themselves without a chart and looking for approval from the other equally stunted fanboys who will not admit they do have a "shunned" brand AR instead of a "top chart" brand they want.
The top of the line gun and gear queers will never use their stuff, because they will have a coronary if their $900 dollar rifle plate carrier gets dusty or their AR has a powder flake on it.
I do appreciate the Mil-Spec quality if I decide on one, but I also know that I'm not gonna abuse the gun and enjoy it without paying a couple of house payment for it.
Would love to do one myself!Easy, easy, they go to training classes to learn skills they'll never use, so they need those top-tier ARs.:supergrin:
Relax training guys, I'm just funnin' with ya, I want to get to a class myself one day.
I was referring to the AR/Carbine courses that teach tactical stuff to civilians. I myself do not live within a high enough threat level to feel the need to learn mad AR combat skillz as a necessity, but think it would be very fun to go and play tacticool ninja for a few days.Would love to do one myself!
I'll never knock on someone traing to better himself!!
Should offer medicine, Farming and animal food processing, Herbology, long and short term shelter building, Water processing, and Long range land navigation.
That would be a SHTF class
Yeah I knew what you were refering to. I would like that myself!I was referring to the AR/Carbine courses that teach tactical stuff to civilians. I myself do not live within a high enough threat level to feel the need to learn mad AR combat skillz as a necessity, but think it would be very fun to go and play tacticool ninja for a few days.
Absolutely! Take the Glocks, they aren't US Mil-Spec but the glockfoamers insist they are the only choice possible that is reliable.G21FAN
My point exactly! Why do we need Gov Spec for AR to be good to go? What makes the Gov Spec so great? So all other Commercially made firearms are crap cause they are not Gov Spec'd!! I mean really think about it - the Chart is used to determine wether an AR is any good! Unless it meets all the Gov Spec'd it is deemed not able to perform/shoot/and will fall aprt in your hands! I own two AR's one that is the standard for which that chart is about one the isn't included and is dispized by those that created that chart! They have both functioned and shoot everytime I pull the trigger! For the average Joe who's not an Operator what more do you need?:whistling:
G21FAN
My point exactly! Why do we need Gov Spec for AR to be good to go? What makes the Gov Spec so great? So all other Commercially made firearms are crap cause they are not Gov Spec'd!! I mean really think about it - the Chart is used to determine wether an AR is any good! Unless it meets all the Gov Spec'd it is deemed not able to perform/shoot/and will fall aprt in your hands! I own two AR's one that is the standard for which that chart is about one the isn't included and is dispized by those that created that chart! They have both functioned and shoot everytime I pull the trigger! For the average Joe who's not an Operator what more do you need?:whistling:
Exactly. My M&P15T is missing a few tick-marks on the "mil-spec" chart, but it runs with 100% reliability and is more accurate than I am. I can understand those that shoot competitively, or those that are in the military and run thousands and thousands of rounds through their ARs needing mil-spec. But everyone else buys it for peace of mind, or just because the like to have the best quality, not that they'll ever need it.Absolutely! Take the Glocks, they aren't US Mil-Spec but the glockfoamers insist they are the only choice possible that is reliable.
I love my 2gen 17 except for the hump and my Colts, SIGs, etc....
Hold on there pardnor, they come in 20"/rifle stock versions too.Would really like to get an M&P 15 but they only come in carbine varients.
I didn't realize that, gotta get out more often.Hold on there pardnor, they come in 20"/rifle stock versions too.
Being knowledgeable doesn't have to coincide with snobbish fanboyism and boorish behavior torward those who choose other brands and it working just as fine as the "list".This is why the folks really knowledgeable about the AR15 platform and its proper use avoid this site like the plague. And I wouldn't be surprised if the couple that do stop by on occasion where seriously considering not doing so anymore.
The chart is a very viable tool we should all consider when purchasing an AR. Its also a tool that has helped the consumer by causing manufacturers to step up their game.
If this chart wasn't such a great tool why do companies such as DPMS refuse to take part? I'm sure most here can connect the dots.
Being knowledgeable doesn't have to coincide with snobbish fanboyism and boorish behavior torward those who choose other brands and it working just as fine as the "list".
Not many poster bragging about their DPMS around here that i've noticed.This is why the folks really knowledgeable about the AR15 platform and its proper use avoid this site like the plague. And I wouldn't be surprised if the couple that do stop by on occasion where seriously considering not doing so anymore.
The chart is a very viable tool we should all consider when purchasing an AR. Its also a tool that has helped the consumer by causing manufacturers to step up their game.
If this chart wasn't such a great tool why do companies such as DPMS refuse to take part? I'm sure most here can connect the dots.
So why do people, such as you, like to point the "snoob", "fanboy" finger at people who are knowledgeable enough to know the value of milspec rifles?Being knowledgeable doesn't have to coincide with snobbish fanboyism and boorish behavior torward those who choose other brands and it working just as fine as the "list".