The new M4 chart is out.
https://spreadsheets.google.com/spr...akp2a3Y2NjMxTEE&single=true&gid=2&output=html
https://spreadsheets.google.com/spr...akp2a3Y2NjMxTEE&single=true&gid=2&output=html
The new M4 chart is out.
https://spreadsheets.google.com/spr...akp2a3Y2NjMxTEE&single=true&gid=2&output=html
I think that's the point and why he put that on the chart.For more details Olympic Arms welcomes all inquiries made directly to the manufacturer at 800-228-3471.
I'm not sold on using the "chart" for what some people use it for. And I'm not going ot down Olympic, but that comment (I'm sure that they asked to have it in the chart) is BEYOND stupid... If they really welcomed all inquiries, they would have answered the freaking questions...
You can guarantee that all manufacturers on the old chart were asked to participate and update current information. You can also bet that there were a good number of newer makers asked to participate also. The makers not listed on the chart did not wish to participate. We can draw whatever conclusions from that on our own. Personally it doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand why certain makers didn't want to be on the new "Chart" or why past manufacturers listed on the Chart wished to be excluded.Am I not understanding it, it looked like it has 10 brands and thats it?
...and thus the wailing and whining begins again!
opcorn:
The majority of the "information" contained in that, and the previous chart,
is absolutely worthless because the average AR-15 owner will never fire enough
rounds through his rifle to ever be able to tell any difference.
Well since you can't even discuss any AR that doesn't meet their MIL SPEC dream requirements on M4.net If you do they will suspend you ASAP ! The closest "Mil Spec" Comercial AR you can buy is a Colt! Everyone else is a Posser! And your paying for the Name! :wavey:
Anybody else sense the hypocrisy here?...and thus the wailing and whining begins again!
opcorn:
The majority of the "information" contained in that, and the previous chart,
is absolutely worthless because the average AR-15 owner will never fire enough
rounds through his rifle to ever be able to tell any difference.
.
Olympic just didn't want the others to look bad esp for the price....He requested info from every major manufacturer. Some complied, some didn't, and some he is still waiting on. SOME of those who didn't respond, it is pretty obvious why. According to Rob_S at the M4 site:
Olympic refused.
DPMS has not responded.
S&W has not responded.
RRA is pending.
Armalite has not responded.
I can understand why Olympic refused :tongueout:
...and thus the wailing and whining begins again!
opcorn:
The majority of the "information" contained in that, and the previous chart,
is absolutely worthless because the average AR-15 owner will never fire enough
rounds through his rifle to ever be able to tell any difference.
.
Well since you can't even discuss any AR that doesn't meet their MIL SPEC dream requirements on M4.net If you do they will suspend you ASAP ! The closest "Mil Spec" Comercial AR you can buy is a Colt! Everyone else is a Posser! And your paying for the Name! :wavey:
Olympic just didn't want the others to look bad esp for the price....
Don't know about the others but I was being sarcastic....Oh Lord :freak:
With all the available information I can't believe there are people like this out there.
I appologize for not catching that even after reading your post a couple times w/ that on my mind.Don't know about the others but I was being sarcastic....
Some take the AR/M4 crap too seriously.
NP, all is good!:thumbsup:I appologize for not catching that even after reading your post a couple times w/ that on my mind.
That's because some companies (like Bushmaster, DPMS, and Olympic Arms) want nothing to do with it. That should tell you something about those companies.Am I not understanding it, it looked like it has 10 brands and thats it?
The main reason for this being pushed now is the community wanting something that is actually ACCURATE and useful.
the collection of data by the community, for the community, without an individual having the means to control the effort.
I read through that thread as well. That place has their heads up countless manufacturers butts, they'll never give an accurate account of data. It'll be full of sponsor, personal, and trend bias. They might as well not even waste their time. Its an insult to the creator of this chart (non biased) and to arfcom members.
Yep! They are classier Companies that choose not to get in the 4 year olds' pissing fight. People will buy them anyway.That's because some companies (like Bushmaster, DPMS, and Olympic Arms) want nothing to do with it. That should tell you something about those companies.
No. They just don't want people to know why consumers shouldnt buy their rifles.Yep! They are classier Companies that choose not to get in the 4 year olds' pissing fight. People will buy them anyway.
Since no one here will be engaged in combat operations with their personal rifle, there is no realistic difference except for price and name.No. They just don't want people to know why consumers shouldnt buy their rifles.