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The Mammogram Scam

Discussion in 'The Okie Corral' started by Glocksanity, Nov 27, 2012.

  1. Glocksanity

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    Cancer is a for profit industry. Buyer beware.

    http://www.naturalnews.com/038099_mammograms_false_positives_overdiagnosis.html#ixzz2DRwmqijG

    http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1206809?query=featured_home&&
     
  2. devildog2067

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    Yep. Those doctors keeping my dad alive are such *******s.

    You really are insane.
     

  3. Critias

    Critias Freelancer CLM

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    Right there in your excerpt it says that early screening has reduced the rate at which women get advanced cancer, and that screening is having a small effect on cancer death rates.

    So...uhh...how large does the effect have to be, how many women does it have to save, before you'll feel it's not a scam? Or, let me rephrase that question: how many women are you okay with killing, by telling them NOT to go get screened?
     
  4. certifiedfunds

    certifiedfunds Tewwowist

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    Thank God!

    If not we'd be stuck waiting in lines for cut, burn or poison IF we found out about it before we died.

    Thanks to big pharma and biotech we now live in the golden age of cancer treatment like targeted therapies and advanced screening techniques.
     
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    certifiedfunds Tewwowist

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    I don't think he even understands what he posted.:rofl:
     
  6. Andy W

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    Go back to your basement, put your tin foil hat back on and go back to your Alex Jones podcast. This is the kind of bull**** that kills people.
     
  7. nmk

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    Dude, wtf?
     
  8. gwalchmai

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    I thought this thread was going to be about something else...
     
  9. Glocksanity

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    The study from the New England Journal of Medicine concludes that "early detection" leads to a 93% false positive which means that millions of women have their breasts mutilated, their bodies ravaged by toxins, and that is done without them ever being in danger of getting a life threatening form of cancer.

    This does not suggest that women should never get this treatment for breast cancer, but it is like going to the mechanic and having him tell you that you need a new transmission when you don't. That does not mean you might need a new transmission in the future, but that only about 7% of time you would.

    The inability of people to think and question authority boggles my mind. No wonder this country is full of fat, sick, diabetic, heart diseased, looooooosers!
     
  10. devildog2067

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    Yes. It's a very, very interesting result.

    How frequently to do a preventative scan is a difficult question to answer. It goes beyond the mere statistics. If a patient "feels" that they're at risk for breast cancer, and they demand the test, what do you do?

    What the hell are you talking about? The very study you quote is an example of "questioning authority." It's proof positive that the scientific and medical establishments continue to investigate and police themselves to the best of their ability.
     
  11. certifiedfunds

    certifiedfunds Tewwowist

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    TOS prevents me from calling you a moron, or I would.

    Google Stereotactic Breast Biopsy, and then come back and talk about your mutilation.

    My closest friend does several per day.

    Then Google Breast Cancer Assay, pay particular attention to Estrogen Receptor, Progesterone Receptors, Her2neu Receptors and understand how they interplay.

    Then google Targeted Cancer Therapies

    If after reading all of that you still don't understand why the TOS must prohibit me from calling you a moron, well.......
     
  12. JW1178

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    I get it. You give someone so many X-rays looking for cancer that the radiation causes cancer.
     
  13. devildog2067

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    Yep.

    Like I said, it's a really, really interesting problem in an intellectual sense.

    If you don't do any scans, you'll miss treatable cancers and people will die unnecessarily.

    If you do too many scans, you'll trigger false positives and in some cases may actually cause cancer due to radiation exposure, and people will die unnecessarily.

    What is the "just right" amount? How do we figure it out?

    Also, what policies do we make in the meantime while we're collecting data? Unlike in physics, in medical science there are ethical implications to consider. If the policy becomes "women under 50 shouldn't get mammograms because the risks outweigh the benefits" but some 28-year-old woman with a family history of breast cancer wants one, what should be done?

    Medical science is really, really hard. Sometimes I'm glad I'm a physicist.
     
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    Medicine, is and always will be a combination of science and art.
     
  15. fx77

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    the issue is would one rather have a falsee positive or a false negative?
     
  16. Silent_Runner

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    No treatment is done based on mammogram results alone. If cancer is indicated a biopsy is done.
     
  17. Gallium

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    What do you call someone with a MSc in Biology?

    Just starting. :supergrin:
     
  18. Kilrain

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    Stop it with your science! :supergrin:

    You didn't know that a biopsy mutilates the breasts and ravages the body with toxins like Glocksanity said????

    Me neither........:dunno:
     
  19. certifiedfunds

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    It really depends on what is being tested for, what disease might exist and the consequences of both.

    For example

    There was a huge false positive rate in women's HPV testing. When that happened they were subjected to surgery in many cases, unnecessarily.

    On the other hand something like 90% of actual hi risk genotype HPV infections self-resolved without becoming clinical.

    But that 10%......

    What you really want is a high positive predictive value
     
  20. Detectorist

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    Heck, I'm glad to do my part to lower health care costs. I give free breast exams.