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The findings are in and the ruling is...

Discussion in 'Cop Talk' started by blueiron, Dec 6, 2011.

  1. Hack

    Hack Crazy CO Gold Member

    Sorry, but given the indications of a struggle this just looks too damn convenient for findings.
    Last edited: Dec 7, 2011
  2. janice6

    janice6 Silver Member

    Apr 4, 2006
    don't see how anyone in his right mind could call this suicide, not with an unexplained second person.
  3. oh makes sense to me, he flung the handgun out after he missed his head with the dang short barrel.
  4. txleapd

    txleapd Hook 'Em Up

    Aug 27, 2004
    IMHO, if there's a question whether it's a suicide or not, it's not.
  5. Panzergrenadier1979

    Panzergrenadier1979 Keystone Cop

    Jan 16, 2009
    Central Pennsylvania
    This. :shocked:
  6. merlynusn


    Nov 16, 2007
    Yeah, I'm not convinced. Too many random things.
  7. Naelbis


    Oct 22, 2009
    Way to much other evidence to claim suicide unless they are willing to claim that he staged the entire scene to make it look like it wasn't. The ME needs to stick to cause of death and let the investigators figure out who caused it.


    Dec 31, 2000
    I am interested in knowing what the other "signs of a struggle" were.

    Most death benefits are not paid out for suicide. So, one could break some stuff inside the car, sit down on the ground, throw your primary across the lot (to make it look like you lost it during the struggle), pull out your backup and fire some rounds down range (to make it appear you were in a gun battle with the suspect). If that was it, I could go along with the homicide option based on a possible staged scene.

    However, I am still not sure how to explain off a shotgun blast under the chin to an armed, resisting officer. Was he possibly knocked out during a fight? Multiple attackers? It just seems that this is a very difficult wound to sustain during a fight. I'm curious to know what other signs of a struggle were present.
  9. MeefZah

    MeefZah Cover is Code 3

    Jan 2, 2008
    Lost Coast, Cali
    It's been months since his death, and I'm sure this has been an exhaustive investigation.

    From the article:

    This was a publicly accessible parking lot, it's entirely possible that someone was there prior to any of this going down, or just after, leaving "evidence" behind.

    Other than the quoted passage above, the rest of the description of the scene sounds like it could have been staged by Sgt. Dreth.