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Discussion in 'The Okie Corral' started by M&P15T, Dec 19, 2012.

  1. M&P15T

    M&P15T Beard One

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    With all that is going on, with threats of bans and such, I am a bit concerned that folks aren't grasping what is really happening. How dire these straits are that we're going to have to navigate.

    We as "gun-owners" are pretty myopic, from what I can tell reading posts in various threads. Most here seem to see the rest of the voters in this country as fitting into one of only two catagories, "pro-gun" and "anti-gun" This is a big, huge mistake.

    I am guessing that there are about 80-100 million true "gun-owners" in this country. Out of that 80-100 million, perhaps 50-75 million are "pro-gun" 2A supporters. Based on the fact that the NRA only has around 4.3 million members, my numbers may be a bit high.

    On the other side of the equation, there are probably much fewer really rabid anti-gun folks. Maybe 5-10 million active, "anti-gun" folks that want more anti-gun legislation. And that's a complete guess, and also probably high.

    This leaves hundreds of millions of people in this country that really couldn't give a damn one way or another about guns. Folks that don't talk about guns, don't read about them, don't care about them.

    Up until now.

    The shooting and killing of 20 6-7 year olds has triggered an innate, normal, natural and massive emotional over-reaction in basically everyone. The several million 2A supporters, and the several million rabid anti-gunners are not the issue.

    The real issue is the hundreds of millions of people that normally could not care less about guns. Tens of millions of those people are now calling, writting and e-mailing their elected officials, demanding that they do something about guns, right the hell now......they are threatening to remove them from office, unless they get something done.

    The fact that there are NRA "A" rated elected officials that are coming out and saying that they would support anti-gun legislation, should be a big friggin' clue to all of us that this is something the likes of which we have never seen.

    I was in another thread discussing the "Gun Show Loop Hole", and it is clear most folks here are not understanding the avalanche of negative public opinion that is falling on us. Nor do most folks here understand how that translates into political/legislative action and effects.

    Drop you privates and grab your socks, something wicked this way comes.

    ETA: I guess the point is not clear enough....my bad.

    The anti-gunners currently have the political capital to pass anti-gun legislation following the recent events. That capital and momentum will fade over time....but how long it will take is not knowable.

    So, the point is that we have a decision to make; possibly see sweeping anti-gun legislation pass while we dig in our heels and accept nothing, or come to the table with our own ideas, have our own influence on what transpires.

    The anti-gunners are going to have their victory, there can be no debate about that. But what should we do? Should we come to the table with something that we can swallow, that doesn't infringe on our rights? Or just continue our current stance and sit back, and watch things happen that are out of our control?
     
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  2. Chonny

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    I bet if you took the number of people that post on GT and divide that by two you would get the actual number of gun owners who will be fighting for high capacity magazines and black rifles.

    Like you said millions of people who suddenly care a lot about stopping mass killings in the United States.

    Less face it, another fact nobody on here wants to hear is that this **** happens more in the US than anywhere else in the world and there is a reason. What is the reason? NFL? MLB? Guns?
     
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  3. M&P15T

    M&P15T Beard One

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    If the good folks here on G.T. cannot read, digest and comprehend these basic concepts, they're not going to understand how bad things are right now.

    We will under-estimate the enemy, and we will lose because we will refuse to play the political game that is afoot.
     
  4. mgs

    mgs Always Carrying Millennium Member

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    1,500 ARs (actual Bushmasters) sold in three hours Monday at one distributor.
     
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    mgs Always Carrying Millennium Member

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    I don't see it as a political game. People are armed for Bear at this point.
     
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    M&P15T Beard One

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    This makes no sense.

    It's as if you are confusing topics.

    This most certainly is a political game, and if you fail to grasp this, if you fail to understand and appreciate it, you will think you don't need to play.

    As far as being armed, I really have no idea what you're attempting to communicate.

    Are you trying to suggest something about armed revolution? Please keep that **** to yourself.
     
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    M&P15T Beard One

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    Good for Bushamster and their distributor. I love to hear it. Capitalism at it's finest.
     
  8. Glock20 10mm

    Glock20 10mm Use Linux!

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    Not really... it happens more overseas but because we are a first world nation... it makes a huge headline.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate
     
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    G36's Rule Senior Member

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    M&P couldn't win over anyone in the other thread so he starts a new one saying he same stuff.

    The only guys who are going to agree with you are the Obama voters. Everyone else knows what they really want.
     
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    Berto woo woo

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    Thanks for the heads-up.
     
  11. smokin762

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    No more compromises. Period. They will never be satisfied. After they take the whole 2nd amendment, they will find something else to lust after.
     
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    M&P, I asked in the other thread but never got an answer. Who are the 2 "A" rated Repubs that are now talking gun control?
     
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    The new AWB will require registration of those grandfathered in. They'll round those up for confiscation inside of a year.

    Killings will continue because they didn't go far enough so handguns will be next.

    Then pump actions, then lever actions..............
     
  14. M&P15T

    M&P15T Beard One

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    Buddy, you can try and dismiss what I'm saying, but it doesn't change reality. And stooping to personal jabs is counter-productive at this point.

    If you can't come to grips with the big picture, and the severity of what is happening, the train is going to leave without you.

    And you sit at the station wondering what the hell happened.

    Which will be a bit too late.
     
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    G36's Rule Senior Member

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    No, I'm actually fighting by contacting people and being active about this. Not by compromising right off the bat.

    Can you answer my question?
     
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    OP what are you purposing then?
     
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    M&P15T Beard One

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    They were Democrats, so that kinda makes sense.

    Still doesn't change anything. It's a highly politicized issue now, and that's really, really bad.
     
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    G36's Rule Senior Member

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    I have no desire to beat on you. If fact, most of the time I like your post.

    I just wanted to know so I could chew on their ear, or their office anyway.
     
  19. M&P15T

    M&P15T Beard One

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    Finding a way to calm down the millions of people that are pressuring their elected representatives. Their interest is going to wane over time, if we don't have another mass-shooting in the near future.

    The Fiscal Cliff is taking all of the press, time and energy right now. The pressures on elected officials will wane over time, these sorts of tragedies have a politcal shelf-life before momentum is lost.

    But if worse comes to worse, I proposed in another thread having the NRA bring to the table closing the gun-show loop-hole.

    It's something that wouldn't restrict our freedoms and rights, but it would give the gun-banners a political "win", and placate the millions of folks that don't normally care about guns.

    Of course we need to start with contacting our elected officials and making sure our voices are heard. That kinda goes without saying.
     
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    M&P15T Beard One

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    Gotcha...

    It could very well be that all of us contacting our elected representatives will be all that is necessary......maybe.

    I hope I haven't been too harsh with you, but I am afraid that folks aren't seeing how bad this may get.
     
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