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The Bible is God's love letter to us

Discussion in 'Religious Issues' started by Vic Hays, Jul 20, 2013.


  1. Vic Hays

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    When I read the Bible I see God's love and wisdom freely given to us who do not deserve anything from Him except condemnation.


    Romans 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

    Revelation 5:12 Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing.
     

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    I figure if God didn't like sinners, he wouldn't have made so many of us.
     

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    1 Cor 3:9
    For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, [ye are] God's building.

    God's husbandry is God's garden. As a believer there is great comfort in believing that God takes care of us.

    This is reserved for the chosen though. Those that are not part of the chosen people don't fair so well according to "God's love letter".

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  4. Kentak

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    So much self hatred has got to be akin to a psychological disorder. Sad.
     
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    Yup.

    That is part of the gospel. Hatred of your own race. We are no good. It takes a while to get healed from such mind sets. Most fanatics never do see the light. They "die in their sins".

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    It actually sounds like what long-term battered women say. "I deserve it. I'm no good."
     
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    Yep, it's biblical. Luke 14:26 -- to be a disciple of Jesus you must not only hate your parents, siblings, spouse and children, but also yourself.

    “If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters—yes, even their own life—such a person cannot be my disciple.
     
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    Kinda sounds like most cults where the goal of the teacher is to convince his or her followers that they can not get by without him or her.
     
  9. Vic Hays

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    If you could see how filthy with sin the human race is from the perspective of heaven you would hate your life also.

    Jesus here is applying hyperbole to make a point much like He did when He suggested it was better to pluck out an eye or cut off a hand than to sin. The idea was not to have everyone do these actions, but to work toward reformation of life.

    Here Jesus is speaking of spiritual blindness of those who cannot discern their real condition.

    Luke 6:39 And he spake a parable unto them, Can the blind lead the blind? shall they not both fall into the ditch?
     
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    Actually I am grateful for God's blessings and mercies. God does not abuse people.

    Matthew 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
    Matthew 5:45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
    Matthew 5:46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
     
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    If you really believe that, then I can only assume you either have not read the bible, or did not comprehend it.

    Your chosen deity abuses people ALL THE TIME.

    He ordered the murder of every citizen of Jericho.

    He tortured Job and murdered Job's family to win a bet.

    He ordered Abram to send Hagar, the servant girl he and his wife Sarai conspired to rape, and his bastard son Ishmael, into the desert to die.

    Then he ordered Abram to murder Isaac, the son he had with his own half-sister.

    He murdered EVERY SINGLE MAN WOMAN AND CHILD on the planet in a flood.

    On another occasion, he murdered every single inhabitant of Sodom and Gomorrah.

    He murdered the innocent first-born of an entire country.

    Am I leaving anything out? Does any of this sound particularly loving and merciful?
     
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    I love my children more than I love myself, therefore I will do everything in power to help and protect them inspite of their ignorance. God does not do this, so does this mean I love my children more than god loves his? it would seem so.
     
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    So you're saying you've never killed any of your children? Not even one?

    You sir, are a god among men. Only better. :bowdown:
     
  14. Vic Hays

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    What this sounds like is you are biased against the God of heaven and have taken up the talking points of the accuser of the brethren. I wouldn't consider that to be a wise choice, but then God is not going to force anyone to accept His grace.

    Revelation 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
    Revelation 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
     
  15. Vic Hays

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    My life is hid in Christ. No one can kill my eternal life only this present mortal life. You will not be able to save yourself or your children from the first death.

    John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
     
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    Sooo...to sum up.

    You said:
    I then gave seven examples of him being merciless and abusive.

    And your response is:

    No attempt to address the obviously false statement you made. Essentially, your reply boils down to believe or burn. The endlessly loving and merciful deity will torment me for all eternity if I don't STFU.
     
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    Now you are miss characterizing me. I don't believe that God will torment anyone for eternity. Hell is much hotter than that and the Bible says so.

    Malachi 4:1 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.
    Malachi 4:2 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.
    Malachi 4:3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.
     
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    A dysfunctional codependent one perhaps.
     
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    (Deuteronomy 20:10-14)
    As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.



    When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)


    I could go on, just let me know. What a love letter.....
     
  20. Vic Hays

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    Terms for peace first. Seems reasonable to me.