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Discussion in 'The Furball Forum' started by Peace Warrior, Jun 27, 2012.
This crap again?
That is a flat-out lie
Remains have been identified for every person on that flight, some through DNA. Four sets of remains are still unidentified which corresponds to the number of hijackers and the lack of DNA exemplars (obviously) for them.
FACT: The World Trade Center and Pentagon attacks were the most diligently investigated crime scenes in modern history. Literally thousands of the best investigators in the world were involved. Tons of physical evidence was recovered, vouchered and tested. Everyone involved was highly motivated to see it through to a proper and just conclusion. No shortcuts were taken, no overtime caps were imposed, and no one was directing what the final conclusions were to be. The results of the WTC investigation, both criminal and structural are extremely well documented and based solely upon the evidence that was present at the scenes.
IN ORDER FOR THE CONSPIRACY THEORISTS TO BE CORRECT;
The thousands of experienced and dedicated investigators from the FBI, ATF, USSS, NYPD, FDNY, CIA and quite a few other agencies are all;
Think about that please. While you consider it remember that MANY of those investigators lost family, friends, loved ones and co-workers in the attack.
Go with the physical evidence and the experience of those conducting the investigation.
In a 2005 interview the County Coroner, Wallace miller stated that they had only recovered an approximate 8% of the remains had ever been found, some of them miles from the "crash site."
What is really interesting to me is that debris was spread over 10 miles, and the debris file goes from east to west, not west to east Headed for the Capitol as the official story claims.
State police major Szupinka said one of the engines was found complete six or seven hundred yards away, to the west of the"crash site". How did one engine survive intact when the other apparently disintegrated into mostly tiny pieces, or bury itself into the loose top soil?
How does a 130 ton 155 foot long airplane with a wingspan of a hundred and twenty feet, a tail that Stands 43 feet high make a hole that is 6 feet deep, and 15 feet wide with "wing scars" in the ground extending out only 70 feet in width?
All of the first eyewitnesses at eh crash sigh said there was "nothing there" but what appeared to be smoldering trash.
How is it in one instance, the towers, there was so much fuel that it Allegedly melted steel, but almost immediately after impact, there was no fire at the 93 crash sight. A large plume of brownish looking smoke, not the huge billowing clouds of black smoke that accompanies jet fuel burning in open air?
Wally Miller was involved in the investigation and identification of the remains. In examining the wreckage, the only human body part he could see was
part of a backbone
Miller later found and identified 1,500 pieces of human remains totaling about 600 pounds (272 kg), or eight percent of the total. The rest of the remains were consumed by the impact
Investigators identified four victims by September 22 and eleven by September 24. They identified another by September 29.Thirty-four passengers were identified by October 27
All the people on board the flight were identified by December 21.
Human remains were so fragmented that investigators could not determine whether any victims were dead before the plane crashed. Death certificates for the 40 victims listed the cause of death as homicide and listed the cause of death for the four hijackers as suicide
The remains and personal effects of the victims were returned to the families The remains of the hijackers, identified by the process of elimination, were turned over to the FBI as evidence.
Some folks have to be "dumb on purpose." I applaud your efforts, but just as their are some very stubborn conspiracy kooks, nuts, and flakes in the world, their are also some very stubborn ANTI-conspiracy kooks, nuts, and flakes as well. Seem the numbers are equal on both sides.
The dogged act of their mental will to keep insisting that all is well, all is well, and doing so in the face of incontrovertible evidence has a thread of cognitive dissonance directly woven throughout their psyche.
I'm gonna review the video you posted. Thanks.
Man, I wish I was as smart as you, to see the TRUTH! All of us that don't fall for those conspiracy theories are just soooo blind though.
Guys!!!! The titanic is a conspiracy too.
I mean steel > ice. And the titanic still sunk!
Still not convinced?!!?!?! The vikings used wooden ships, and they never sunk!
Also, ice melts faster than steel. I set this experiment up in my house. I used a bowl of metal and a bowl of ice at room temperature. The ice completely melted, while the bowl of steel barely melted at all!
So the real question is, who sunk the ships? Atheists? Terrorists? Gays? I don't know, but I'm convinced that someone did it, until proven otherwise!
If you want to see the experiment just go on youtube and search for "unfastened coins"
Wrong IP, totally apologize.
mea culpa. I not real good as this computering stuff. [/jethro]
"Jack, pick up sweetie, can you hear me? Okay. I just want to tell you, there's a little problem with the plane. I'm fine. I'm totally fine. I just want to tell you how much I love you. I’m comfortable and I’m okay…for now. Just a little problem. So I just love you. Please tell my family I love them too. Bye, honey."
Passenger on flight 93.
Message left for her husband on their home answering machine.
Lauren was two months pregnant with their first child on 9/11.
Have all the fun you want with that one, con-nuts.
I hope one day you get to meet her face-to-face in the next life and have to explain your actions to her here in this life.
Here's who to look for:
A word to the wise just in case you didn't know it: Two people are not allowed to share the same username at GT.
If seven hijackers were found to be alive and well AFTER 09-11-2001, wouldn't it be prudent to not identify ANY of the hijackers remains with regards to DNA?
I mean after all, to claim you've identified a speck of bone to a DNA certainty belongs to said, Joe Blow Terrorist, and then all the sudden said, Joe Blow Terrorist, shows up on a beach in Miami with his family in tow, such an occurrence make your entire "investigation," as far as DNA, a total crock now wouldn't it?
No, the prudent thing to do, AFTER THE FACT THAT AT LEAST SEVEN OF THE TERRORISTS WERE FOUND TO BE A LIVE AND WELL FOLLOWING 09-11-2001, is to claim, "Here are four different DNA profiles, which do not matched anyone else on the plane's manifest. Yeah, these have to belong to the terrorists on the flight."
Unfortunately, if they did identify the DNA profiles for the hijackers and were later found to be wrong, this fact would also belie the DNA certain identification of the passengers and crew members, which would really blow the lid of the entire cover up; so understanding, some people have worked hard to eviscerate, or cremate if you will, all the inherent and intrinsic human qualities when it comes to the ability to care for others in this world.
Only if they live and think like you.
Who is Peace Warrior?
He/she is an anonymous internet poster who by his own admissions was not present at the WTC site during or after the attack.
He acknowledges not having been a part of the investigation.
He admits that all of his theories stem from his extensive watching of internet conspiracy theorist websites.
He admits having no engineering or law enforcement background.
However, despite all of that he presents himself as an expert and demands that you believe his unfounded theories and distorted half truths.
Who am I? A retired Lieutenant of the NYPD. I was present at the WTC during the attacks and for four months afterwards at both the WTC and the landfill where subsequent evidence recovery was conducted upon the debris that had been removed off-site.
I worked the investigation intimately and along with the FBI and ATF. I was present at numerous briefings in the weeks after the event which detailed the status of the ongoing investigation and sought input from those of us working the sites.
I recovered evidence, both physical as well as human remains.
I DO NOT ASK THAT YOU BELIEVE ME.
I do, however, ask that you trust in the physical evidence and the intensity of the investigation conducted.
Don't put your trust and faith in a nameless internet poster whose knowledge is derived solely from internet conspiracy websites.
Base your judgements on the evidence recovered and the timelines of the event as they have been established through the detailed and thorough investigations that were conducted by professionals. Men and women who were deeply invested in the case and who had no agenda other than to find the TRUTH. People who swore oaths to uphold and defend the constitution and to serve and protect the American public.
That's who I request the readers put their faith in and trust.
The decision is up to you.
Fixed it for ya!
Great advice! The decision is ultimately up to the reader.
To the reader I would advise: Be discriminant. Exercise critical reflection, logic, reason and fact based thinking. Then decide for yourself if the official cover up story from the dot.gubmint holds water or not.
Step off the Disorient Express at the next stop.
The remains of all of the passengers were identified, everyone on the flight manifest.
There were four sets of remains left. Gee a coincidence that the passengers on their cell phones reported 4 hijackers?
Is it surprising to you that the 4 terrorists didn't give DNA samples to the "International Terrorist DNA Collectors Club" before they left on their mission?
You are a fracking loon. You didn't get enough attention, or the right kind, as a child and now you seek any kind of attention you can get to make yourself feel "special"
The OFFICIAL FINDINGS of the investigation were promulgated by men and women who had a vested interest in reporting the truth.
Unfortunately for you most readers have a higher IQ than a turnip. They will see your delusional nonsense for what it is.
I like it better without all the red drivel.
What is more surprising is the fact that no one has been allowed to access to those supposed four DNA samples that were left. Just pretending they exists is not the same as allowing everyone to see they exists.