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Texas - Okay to lie to police about possessing a weapon

Discussion in 'Cop Talk' started by RussP, Oct 24, 2011.


  1. RussP

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    The following was posted in Carry Issues.
    Is bithabus correct? Can someone, after being asked if they have any weapons, lie to the police about possessing a weapon?
     

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    When I lived in Texas and had a CHL, my understanding was that you only needed to show your CHL if you were concealing a weapon on your person, which the license covers. If a hunter who also has a CHL is stopped and has a firearm in the vehicle, but not on their person, how is the requirement applicable?
     

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    Why the need for concealing the information? Here in Kansas they can find out on the state data base for licenses anyway. Can't they do the same down there?
     
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    Doesn't law state that you have to be wearing one of these on your left breast if you are carrying concealed
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    They don't have to tell us anymore. Most do anyway, though.
     
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    Never talk to the police. :devilish:
     
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  8. RussP

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    C'mon guys. Serious question. I need your help here. Save the cute **** for someone else, please.

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  9. RussP

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    But, can they lie? Can they say, "No," even when they are in possession?
     
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    I believe it is just an administrative violation which the officer would have to take up with the licensing agency.
     
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    So, if i was an officer in Texas and they could lie to me about weapons, would that open up more of a search ruling due to officer safety? I.e. more terry frisk since I could not trust someone (not that you can anyway,) to really let me know about a weapon?
     
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    I guess I don't see where they would catch a charge for it, but I'm not in Texas. If I ask somebody if they have dope on them and they say no, and then I find out that they do, they get charged for possessing the dope. If I ask somebody if they're drunk and they say no, and I find out that they are, they get charged for being drunk (in public / behind the wheel / etc).
     
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    Technically, you are afforded the right to remain silent, but not the right to lie during criminal investigations.

    In my state it would depend on the type of stop (detained or not) and what the officer was investigating. If you provide false or misleading information to the police during a criminal investigation, you can be charged with Obstructing Justice. In Illinois this is the law;
    A person obstructs justice when, with intent to prevent the apprehension or obstruct the prosecution or defense of any person, he knowingly commits any of the following acts:
    (a) Destroys, alters, conceals or disguises physical evidence, plants false evidence, furnishes false information; or
    (b) Induces a witness having knowledge material to the subject at issue to leave the State or conceal himself; or
    (c) Possessing knowledge material to the subject at issue, he leaves the State or conceals himself.
    I can't tell you Texas for sure.....It's not a common charge around here, because like DaBigBR said you normally have other charges anyways and their lies are just used in aggravation at court. But, I have charged it in the past and will continue to do so when necessary.
     
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    What if they say yes they have dope in their possession?
     
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    I don't see how it could be a violation of the law. Texas doesn't have a "obstruction" per say, like other states. There is an interference statue, but I rarely see it used.
     
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    No. You'd have to be able to articulate facts or circumstances on the given situation as to why you performed a terry frisk.
     
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    Going to find it either way...but honesty goes a long way. Lot more options when people are honest, like cite and go's tickets, lesser offenses, or drug court options, etc
     
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    When I took the class, we are told to show it but the penitly for not showing is now gone. They can see you have a CHL when they run your DL. I have been pulled over 1 time since getting my CHL, showed the cop both IDs . Asked where gun was, he told me don't go for mine he wont go for his. Said deal, talked to me for 2 mins tops and said slow down, have a nice day. If he had went to his car , ran it and then seen I had CHL he would probebly have given me a ticket and asked why I didn't notify him.
     
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    If you have a CHL you must notify but if you don't then there is no penalty for not doing so. Non CHL holders do not have to notify. Weird stuff.
     
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    In Texas a soon as they run your D/L number (not your license plate number), it comes up if you have a CHL (concealed handgun license) or not.

    I seldom get pulled over, when I do, I always hand over both of my licenses, at the same time. Never a problem.

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