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Texas man gets 40 years in Stand Your Ground

Discussion in 'Carry Issues' started by beatcop, Jun 27, 2012.

  1. beatcop

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    Shooter was angry about noise from birthday party at his neighbor's home


    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/47986039


    Ok, for all those that weighed in on the original post....stick a fork in 'em, he's done!

    Probably a few lessons to be learned.
     
  2. faawrenchbndr

    faawrenchbndr DirtyThirty fan CLM

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    He got what he deserved. Hard to "stand your ground" in your
    neighbor's driveway!
     


  3. Glockdude1

    Glockdude1 Federal Member CLM

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  4. So being an idiot with a gun WILL land you in prison..... Amazing.
     
  5. I don't like how the PMSNBC story attempts to tie it to Zimmerman, totally different circumstances. With that said, I opined originally it looked like a bad shoot, so I'm not surprised even a little with this verdict.

    40 years sounds about right. Everybody has been upset with neighbors and loud music at some point, doesn't give you the right to go over there and become aggressive. The retired firefighter probably isn't a "bad" guy per se, but he sure as hell made a dumb decision that he needs to pay the price for.
     
  6. Just because one CLAIMS they are covered by SYG law does not make it so, as this gent shows.

    He told people about ways to fake it, he video taped his egging them on, and he went ahead and pushed an argument till it required lethal force.

    I'm just sorry the poor woman lost her husband to this nutjob. And also the wife of this guy, she lost to (and gets stuck with the legal bills.)

    Deaf
     
  7. beatcop

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    What gets lost here is common sense.

    Often times someone will quote statute law and say "I can do x, y, & z". Yeah, great stand your ground...however if the facts are not as you perceived, you're toast. My advice is as follows:

    -Don't shoot unless you HAVE too! If you can leave, do so!
    -Don't shoot someone over property. It can be replaced, they can be caught by the PD.
    -If the crime is not a violent felony, you probably don't need to fire.
    -Don't shoot someone over a fair fight.
    -Be legally and morally right...not just legally.

    Yes, there are lots of variables we can get into and we can write a page on each comment, but when you boil it down, do you really want to risk your life, house, family, job, over "optional" behavior? If you have NO choice, defend human life.
     
  8. G22Dude

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    Its idiotic to claim I am in fear for my life and video tape the issue as you cause threat to escalate. Maybe a tactical withdrawal is called for if you are so fearful. Having the right to stand your ground is not the same as causing a messy situation to escalate
     
  9. PimpStick

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    Texas' version of a Stand Your Ground law is known as the Castle Doctrine. It was revised in 2007 to expand the right to use deadly force. The new version allows people to defend themselves in their homes, workplaces or vehicles. It also says a person using force cannot provoke the attacker or be involved in criminal activity at the time.

    That's exactly what he did. Had they attacked as soon as he went there or before he brandished his 23, he'd be a free man, and probably not even charged.
     
  10. PimpStick

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    Well said.
     
  11. jhmayhem

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    Not so ironically it sounds like the neighbor who was killed would have been the one justified in using the Stand Your Ground law if he had a chance to defend himself. A hostile individual comes onto your property uninvited making threats with a weapon would have sounded like a good shoot to me if it was the other way around.
     
  12. I am a supporter of the 'Stand Your Ground' concept, but that doesn't mean one should 'Bulldoze over Your Neighboor's Ground'.

    Wannabe Zimmerman's and assorted Mall Ninjas take note...
     
    Last edited: Jun 27, 2012
  13. RenegadeGlocker

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    Not Stand Your Ground.

    If it was, he would have been found innocent in a directed verdict.
     
  14. Drain You

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    I think they should dig the dead guy up and charge him with assault.
     
  15. Glockdude1

    Glockdude1 Federal Member CLM

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    [​IMG]
     
  16. Goldendog Redux

    Goldendog Redux Shut your mouth

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    I would probably feel better about the case if the guy just walked up and executed the victim rather than standing there like a friggin retard creating a situation and chirping all the key phrases he most likely learned on gun boards and stupid gun rags.

    A little bit of knowledge and not having the mental capacity or common sense to arrange it in a meaningful manner is very, very dangerous and that dipsiht is gonna rot in jail because he is stupid...and rightfully so.
     
  17. PimpStick

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    Does everyone agree that it's "this guy" who gives us all a bad name?

    From GOA:

    * Guns used 2.5 million times a year in self-defense. Law-abiding citizens use guns to defend themselves against criminals as many as 2.5 million times every year -- or about 6,850 times a day. This means that each year, firearms are used more than 80 times more often to protect the lives of honest citizens than to take lives.

    The media rarely reports on these situations.
     
  18. Gunnut 45/454

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    -Don't shoot unless you HAVE too! If you can leave, do so! ( In this case -he provoked the shooting He should have asked them to turn it down once then call the cops)

    -Don't shoot someone over property. It can be replaced, they can be caught by the PD.( You obviously live in state that will prosecute you for defending your property= I'm so glad I don't)

    -If the crime is not a violent felony, you probably don't need to fire. ( My states law says I can use deadly force to stop ANY FELONY)

    -Don't shoot someone over a fair fight. (And when have you seen one of these lately?)
    -Be legally and morally right...not just legally. ( I'll let God sort this one out):supergrin:
     
  19. beatcop

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    Like I said, the "BIG PICTURE" not the letter of the law.

    -my State you can use force to retain,regain property...not deadly force. You have to ask yourself if you are going to kill someone over them siphoning your gas, stealing your pink flamingo. Don't kill anyone over minor bs.

    -like I said, you can write a page on each bullet, but it gets old trying to talk sense into posters with a limited grasp of the law/criminal justice system or misguided judgment.

    -some may think they're going to shoot when someone raises a fist, go for it....may not work out well. Bottom line is that offender/subject factors (disparity of force, size, age, sickness, physical prowess, expressed intent) need to be quite clear and articulated precisely to avoid prosecution in some areas.

    -If you're in public and can leave, do so!
     
  20. SouthpawG26

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    The disturbing aspect is that this guy clearly left his home and taking his camera along, with the eventual outcome in mind.

    He went there looking for a fight, and specifically, for an excuse to shoot someone. Premeditation.

    His stupidity (and the premeditation) shows in repeatedly spouting off some half baked, uninformed SYG "lingo".
     
    Last edited: Jun 28, 2012