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Teachers Face Investigations for Anti-Obama Messages

Discussion in 'Political Issues' started by DOC44, Nov 15, 2012.


  1. DOC44

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    If the statements were made in the course of some school-funded program, I could understand the concern. But from what I glean from that article, the statements were made on their personal accounts outside of school activities.

    If they are now suffering repercussions for voicing opinions as private citizens, they should consider suing the school systems for infringement of their civil rights.

    Now, the second teacher mentioned seemed to go a little overboard in the zeal of his expression -- but I still defend his right to say it.


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    Given the overwhelming support for right to work here at gt... why is this a problem? Why shouldn't these teachers be held responsible for what they say or don't say as private citizens? If rtw is so wonderful, why should the employer not be able to use that leverage to silence expression of opinion by a employee? After all, the 1st Amendment does not protect the private speech of employees... does it?
     
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    Because they are NOT muzzling those who teach them OMao love chants
     
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    Okay...we'll put you down as "unclear on the concept".
     
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    My regard for teachers is much higher now. Just when I thought our education system was getting worse.
     
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    There have always been amazingly gifted, dedicated, and successful teachers... it's just that they are so rare, and obviously not well liked by the establishment.

    This muzzling is going to be a problem... right up until the wannabe dictator appoints two or more NEW/LEFT supremes... then all will be solved. :puking:
     
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    Brucev is not one to quietly accept the idea of 'fair & balanced' so I doubt he/she will get any hint whatsoever about the injustice of choking off one group while encouraging another.

    :shakehead: Nope.

    "Yes we can, can, can..." blather, blather Propaganda.. remember?:steamed:
     
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    :rofl::rofl::rofl:


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    Free speech isn't protected against the vagaries of whatever rules a private employer may wish to adopt/enforce. The private employer is the final arbiter of what can/cannot be said by their employee; at least when it pertains to the workplace.

    Unfortunately for you, these are public indoctrination camp employees, and thus are not private employees. The 1st Amendment to COTUS specifically restricts federal law from stopping/thwarting/denying free speech (See: Prior Restraint) and both South Carolina's and Ohio's constitutions are quite plain in their preservation of the right to free speech vis-à-vis governmental suppression/oppression. And Ohio in particular even has a clause in its constitution that specifically prohibits any one of its citizens from being compelled to religiously worship a deity.

    I'd say that the Secular Humanist Marxist Messiah can be said to fit that criteria. Wouldn't you?

    Having said that, I have no sympathy for anyone stupid enough to work for said public indoctrination camps. Immutable universal law has demonstrated time-and-again that stupid hurts. Too bad, so sad.
     
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    my kids brought home stories of the liberal teachers(almost all teachers) trashing Bush every chance they got.:whistling:
     
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    These teachers are public employees paid with taxpayer money, komrade. The speech occurred outside of their workplace.
     
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    when you work for the Gesatpo you can not talk unfavorably about them anywhere......
     
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    It's not a big stretch to see next year's teachers all queuing up to place their hands on 'Dreams of My Father' as they swear undying allegiance to The Omnipotent, The Magnificent, The All-Knowing, All Merciful OBAMA.

    :faint:
     
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    Fred, cert...

    Any *discussion* must start with a certain level of understood concepts on both sides. In a discussion about the application of the First Amendment, part of the prerequisites is that the other guy knows what the First is.

    When a poster, let's call him "B", wants to interject himself and doesn't have a freaking clue about the scope of things, you can't discuss. At best, you offer the charity of a lecture. This may earn you karma points somewhere, but the recipient will soon become dependent on your charity, won't do a damn thing to educate himself and will soon be interjecting in discussions about fusion and biochemistry as though his thoughts had value.

    Just bless his heart and put him at the kids' table while the grownups talk.
     
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    So is the answer "equal time," or is the answer for no teacher/administrator to be allowed to use the classroom as a venue for the expression of their own political beliefs?
     
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    No. Not unclear. No support for any teacher/administrator being able to use the classroom as a venue for the expression of their own political beliefs.
     
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    As far as I can tell, it wasn't in the classroom -- it was on personal Facebook accounts.


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  20. Bren

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    Yes, the first amendment does protect the free speech rights of employees, when those rights are being restricted by the government.

    Your inability to grasp obvious things is sometimes surprising.

    Are you left-wing or right-wing today?

    Which has nothing to do with this story.
     
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