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TBO and the concept of "anti-authority."

Discussion in 'Civil Liberties Issues' started by RickD, Mar 5, 2011.

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  1. certifiedfunds

    certifiedfunds Tewwowist

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    State authority and liberty are a zero sum game. Authority should be questioned at every turn. The state should face resistance in everything it does.

    It's only healthy


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  2. clancy

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    Could this be considered anti-authority?

    There is a psycho female at the Detroit Ambassador Bridge who once was refusing me to come back into Michigan because I had a Florida drivers license and no passport and couldn't "prove" I was a US citizen. (Prior passport required days). We had plans of meeting others at Xochimilco's for dinner and she was holding us so long my sister in law made a cell call to the people to tell them we were being detained.

    The psycho ordered her to get off the phone or she would be arrested for interfering with a government employee in the performance of duty so my SIL hung up.

    I showed two retired dept ID's with photos and was told they could be forged. I became a smart alec and said passports can be forged also and added that to be a LEO in the states one must be a citizen. I then asked for her to get a supervisor and was told I can't ask for nothing. My son in law is a Border Patrol officer/ and K-9 there and was on duty so I asked the psycho to call him over. She said "he can't verify nothing for you and he doesn't have anything to do with this"

    This is going on now for at least twenty minutes and finally I said "look, do what you want to hold me because I'm getting out of the car to let my family go to meet friends", and as I opened the car door, she said "well next time you better have a passport or birth certificate-you can go now".

    When I call my SonIL, he told me the the psycho had just returned to work and given her gun back because she had flipped out before. My SIL brought it to a supervisors attention but she is still out there.

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  3. Today, do you see her actions as that of an individual? Or do you use her actions to paint the entire Border Patrol/Fed .gov/ .gov in general?
     
  4. clancy

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    I see her actions as an individual.
     
  5. certifiedfunds

    certifiedfunds Tewwowist

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    Occupation can give one a biased view and inhibit critical thinking.


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  6. RickD

    RickD Pro-Open Curry Millennium Member

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    I had no idea this thread was still active.
     
  7. Steve83

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    I vote we change the term to "anti-overbearianist". ;) I don't really resent authority, as long as it's OUR authority (as written in the Constitution). I think it's an overbearing government that the founding fathers were "anti-", and I'm on board with THEM. I resent & resist the big brother mentality at every level, but of course, the level I have the most interaction with is LEOs.
     
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  8. TBO

    TBO Why so serious? CLM

    Why do you have the most interactions with LEO's?

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  9. clancy

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    If that question is directed at me, it is because I work a late night shift. I close the bar down anywhere between midnight and 4am. Where I live, if you are out driving after midnight and a cop sees you, odds are good you will be stopped. The other night I was driving home and got stopped around 2:30am by a trooper. After the usual license and registration request and the usual questions(where are you coming from, where are you going, have you been drinking), I asked why I was stopped.

    The trooper told me he stopped me because my rear license plate lights appeared dim. Yeah, right, he was on a fishing expedition, and figured the odds were that if I were out that late, I must have been drinking.
     
  10. certifiedfunds

    certifiedfunds Tewwowist

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    Sounds like harassment. Illegal for sure but impossible to prove.


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  11. TBO

    TBO Why so serious? CLM

    Not impossible.
    Do a traffic count and compare that to the number of cars stopped.
    If it's really just about every car that is stopped as he claims ...

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  12. Ohio Cop

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    From the New York State vehicle code:

    4. if required to display a number plate on the rear, a white light which shall illuminate the numerals on such plate in such manner as to render such numerals legible for at least fifty feet from the rear. The provisions of this subparagraph shall also apply to trailers.


    Almost the exact same as Ohio's revised code. So yes, appeared dim is good enough, no matter what you feel.
     
  13. Ohio Cop

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    Why would it be harassment? Sounds to me like the NYS Trooper is doing a hell of a job.

    If his tag isn't illuminated at a distance of fifty feet, why do you feel it is "illegal"?
     
  14. certifiedfunds

    certifiedfunds Tewwowist

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    Traffic enforcement is about safety right? Imagine how unsafe a car is to fellow motorists with a dim plate light.

    hey Clancy, did he pace off 50 feet to see if the light was sufficient?
     
  15. certifiedfunds

    certifiedfunds Tewwowist

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    Because although you won't admit it, you and I both know that the trooper stopped clancy for the exact reason clancy stated: fishing expedition.
     
  16. TBO

    TBO Why so serious? CLM

    A valid stop is a valid/legal stop, no matter your emotions.
     
  17. clancy

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    I don't believe he did. He parked maybe 10 feet behind me, and from what I saw in my side mirror he went right back to his car. I don't think he even called in my license. It was less than a half minute from the time he took my license, walked away, and came back, gave it to me, told me about my dim license plate lights, and told me to have a safe trip home.
     
  18. clancy

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    "Where I live, if you are out driving after midnight and a cop sees you, odds are good you will be stopped."

    A bit different from "just about every car", isn't it?
     
  19. clancy

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    Would I be wrong in feeling negative emotions when I was pulled over last December, in a snowstorm, and given a ticket because my rear license was partially obscured by snow?
     
  20. clancy

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    I find your idea of "a hell of a job" quite a bit different from mine. I guess I should be grateful that there cops out there as conscientious as you and the trooper who stopped me, but for some strange reason I don't.

    For the record, I stopped at the local town police department and asked one of the cops to look at my license plate lights, and explained why. The cop just shook his head and said he can't believe a trooper would waste his time with such BS. Oh, yeah, my lights are just fine.
     
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