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Talk me into or out of a CCO

Discussion in '1911 Forums' started by Substance-P, Jan 2, 2010.


  1. Substance-P

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    I made the mistake of stopping by my favorite gunshop the other day and they have a Wilson CQB Compact in stock that reignited by interest in picking up a CCO.

    I have several full size and several commander size 1911s but nothing smaller than a commander. I had a Colt Defender briefly but was not a huge fan of an Officer's model.

    One of my commanders is a lightweight S&W (Gunsite edition) and I don't know if an all steel CCO would offer much of an improvement over that setup for concealed carry.

    So, I was wondering what everyone's opinions were on the CCO configuration in a 1911 in general and it's relative merit over a lightweight commander in particular.

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    A Dan Wesson CCO is on my short list,...........
     

  3. Rimcrew

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    Well, I own three 2009 DW CCO's. Didn't intend for that to happen, but the first one was just sooo nice and when two more opportunities presented themselves I just couldn't resist.

    I think you would be very happy with one. Not as light as my Ultra CDP, but not heavy at all. So far, the reliability and accuracy have been great.
     
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    I think the OP is not necessarily referring to Dan Wesson, but Officer frames in general. Yes, I could see a Wilson CQB Compact reigniting your interest, but remember most Officer models are not Wilsons. You will find a slight advantage with an officers 1911 for CCW over a commander. With the right holster and belt, steel vs aluminum shouldnt make too much difference.
     
  5. Substance-P

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    You're right, I was interested in people's opinions/experiences on/with the Commander slide/Officer frame setup in general (whether that be a Colt, DW, LB, or Wilson).

    I am strongly considering that particular CQB compact.
     
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    Best of both worlds, Commander length slide/barrel for accuracy/reliability/sight radius, and Officer length frame for concealment.

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  7. Substance-P

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    Thanks for the pics of the Colt Gunsite CCO (that is one of the models that has been on my list for a long time).
     
  8. HAIL CAESAR

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    ""Best of both worlds, Commander length slide/barrel for accuracy/reliability/sight radius, and Officer length frame for concealment.""

    I could not have said it better myself. It is what I have carried for years. For me it is the best option.

    Pic of the latest one I have and every day carry..
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  9. Officer's Match

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    I too love the CCO format having owned a few. Nowadays I'm tote'n a bobtailed commander, but I could see picking up another Wilson 4" over Officer's setup. Especially w' the bull barrel configuration to aide in followup shots.
     
  10. GVFlyer

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    What are your reasons for preferring the bushing-less barrel on the Wilson Combat CQB Compacts?
     
  11. Officer's Match

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    A bit more muzzle weight to help tame flip. Mine was very easy to handle.

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  12. HAIL CAESAR

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    I never thought the 4.25 bushing barrel flipped bad.....
     
  13. Officer's Match

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    Me neither. Just on a short frame/light weight 45 a little extra muzzle weight doesn't hurt either. That said, I carry a 4.25 Commander these days.
     
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    id really like a CCO to add to the mix.
     
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    I guess I'm getting old, but the Commander 4 1/4" just looks "right" to me. I just ordered a CCO and will carry mine too.
     
  16. MacG22

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    Where is the best place to find a CCO these days?
     
  17. HAIL CAESAR

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    Here is a CCO list that I wrote at one time. It is my personal opinion, so take it with a grain of salt about my views on the quality.

    The size of 1911 you are describing is loosely called a CCO. It is a officer frame and a 4.25 commander slide. Some people people (including myself) make a distinction of a TRUE CCO and LIKE A CCO. A true CCO will have a 4.25 barrel and a barrel bushing. Most "Like" a CCO will have a 4ish inch barrel and the barrel will be bushingless. Colt is the company that owns the name "CCO", much like "Commander".

    To answer your question of who makes a 1911 of similar size the list is as follows;

    STI Guardian- Like a CCO- 4ish bull barrel- good quality gun- $950ish.
    Steel frame.

    Colt CCO and Colt Gunsite CCO- True CCO sized-4.25 barrel- good quality gun-Discontinued model- somewhat of a collectors item $950++++, if you can find one.

    Old Dan Wesson CCO- True CCO (Except external extractor)- Discontinued Model- good quality- good luck finding one.

    New Dan Wesson CCO. True CCO with internal extractor. $1,250+, hard to get only 200 made this year. Alloy frame with 4.25 inch bushing barrel. I have it now. It is excellent quality!

    Kimber- Like a CCO, OK quality gun, various models - $750 and up depending on model. Lots of reports of problems, but lots of reports of satisfaction. Be prepares to buy a new recoil spring even on a new gun. Kimber makes a steel frame and a alloy frame LW.

    Sig 1911 Compact- True CCO (except external extractor) good quality gun- earlier guns have had problems, newer guns have seemed to have no problems- $850+-Sig makes a steel frame and a alloy frame LW.

    Springfield Armory COMPACT- Older discontinued model, do not be confused with current Ultra or Micro size guns they are not the same- if you can find one they run $550+. good quality. Some were 4.25 with bushing and some were Bull 4 inchers. Steel frames and LW Alloy frames.

    Smith & Wesson ES. Seems to be good quality (very new) True CCO expect the external extractor. 4.25 bushing barrel. Stainless slide and Scandium frame. $860.00ish, but people are trying to get rich selling them for more than that.

    Fusion Arms True CCO. (Edited for now)

    Les Baer Stinger- True CCO, excellent quality 1911- $1,500+ depending on options. Steel frame. 5 inch frame rails. May or may not slingshot. Older discontinued had alloy frame.

    Wilson Combat Compact- Like a CCO, 4 inch bull barrel. Excellent quality 1911 alloy or steel frame.- $2200+ depending on model.

    Nighthawk Custom_ True CCO- excellent quality 1911- $2500+ depending on options. They will build a bushing or a bull barrel.

    Springfield Armory Custom Shop -True CCO Excellent quality. Takes about 6 months to build. They will build it your way. They will build a bushing or a bull barrel. Alloy or steel frame. $1,600+++

    There are full custom shops that will make you a CCO, be prepared to sell at least one of your children on the black market.

    If they are more I've forgotten, please anyone help me out.

    My opinion time; The CCO is the perfect CCW size 1911 ever made. Reliability of a Commander, frame size of a Officer for less printing. Even less printing if you have the frame MSH rounded.
     
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  18. MacG22

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    Wow. Really helpful post. But now I feel kinda screwed. The DW CCO is the one I prefer on that list, after looking them all up... and it appears to be a ***** to find.
     
  19. HAIL CAESAR

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    You can watch here and these boys will find you one. I think there are a couple listed. Shhhhhhh...don't tell anybody.:wavey:

    Seriously, if you want one. Work hard and get one quick.
     
  20. Rimcrew

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    Call Dave Severns, of Severns Custom; he had one in stock last week, and Dave is a great guy to deal with.

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