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SW MP15 Sport problems

Discussion in 'Black Rifle Forum' started by fowler, Feb 20, 2012.


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  1. fowler

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    Great rifle ,No problems,no jams,no forward assist,no dust cover, no regrets and no stepping backwards ,no retreat!!
     

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    I have heard nothing bad whatsoever about the Sports until today with the other dude's post. I actually picked the Sport over the DPMS Oracle.
     

  3. TangoFoxtrot

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    Look I owned a Stag, I own a Colt and a Sport. The Sport performs just as well as my Colt but cost me $1400 less. The only problem I have with my Sport is having more time to shoot it.
     
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    I own a Sport, Love it as well. The other post was the first I've heard of anyone having any problem with it whatsoever, and mine has been flawless.
     
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    Another Sport owner here, great gun. I love it.
     
  6. Ronbars

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    I've heard nothing but good things about these and am eager to pick one up, but it seems no one can keep them in stock!
     
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    Love my Sport as well. It shoots great, and is just fun
     
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    I am going to shoot mine this sunday. A buddy of mine got a new saiga 7.62 the same day I did, so we are both itching to get out and shoot!
     
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    The day I picked mine up the LGS had sold 9 sports that day!!! I got the last one he had...
     
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    Just my inexperienced opinion. I think if somebody doesn't shoot a whole lot or run their rifle hard, they may never know the difference between buying a higher quality AR15 vs a lower quality AR15. There is also longevity to take into account. A lower quality brand might be able to go hundreds or thousands of rounds, but prematurely fail later on. There is also quality consistency to take into account. X high quality AR15 Brand versus B lower quality brand might put 100 rifles each. X high quality brand has ten defective rifles. B low quality brand has 30 defective rifles. I'm not saying the M&P suffers from this, but it's just something to think about.
     
  11. Contact

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    Yes and no, because if something is less expensive, it's typically purchased buy more people. More units sold means higher probability of failure. This is why auto manufacturers rate reliability on problems per X number of vehicles sold.

    Im sure that Ferrari would love to be able to report that only 200 Ferrari's had to be towed back to the dealer last year, while several hundred thousand Chevys and Fords were in for service, but that by itself doesn't take into account that there are exponentially more Chevys and Fords on the road than Ferrari.

    So, eventually there may be plenty of Sports sent back for various issues, but you have to take the "Problems per Rifle" to find the true reliability of these Rifles.
     
  12. bmoore

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    Tell your friend to check the front site in his Saiga. Mine was canted quite bad. The reason I bought a Saiga was to avoid that so when I was done with my conversion I would have solid rifle. Its going back to the importer tomorrow.
     
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  13. Top_Shot_31

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    You must have bought your 6920 at the height of the election scare. Don't know how you would possibly have gotten your S&W Sport for "$1400 less" since a 6920 is a sub-$1000 rifle anymore.

    I'm not doubting you, just kinda looking for clarification; brother's coworker bought an LE6920 in late 2008 for $1,900, and that was a GOOD DEAL at the time.
     
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    But if you compare reliability to retail pricing in the car market this analogy does not always work. There are many, many more Honda Accords on the road that cost much less than a new Jaguar and the price of the Honda is much , much less. But look at the reliability of the Honda compared to the Jag or many other high end cars. The cheaper Asian cars have proven to be much more reliable than the high end cars of almost any other country of manufacture. Higher price and being "exclusive" does not always mean quality or reliability. An automobile that costs $50,000 plus should have zero issues and even wipe your butt for you but cheaper cars will run circles around them in reliability and long term cost to own.
     
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    It actually still works fine, because price isn't the factor we're concerned with. Problems per unit is the equation. Price obviously contributes to the number of units sold, but when you take the price out of it, it still boils down to problems per unit, which is a very fair formula to determine reliability.

    So in your example, a Honda Accord would be more reliable than the Jag. If they sell 500,000 Accords and have 15,000 Accords in for service, that's 3% of Accords that went in for service. If they sell 250,000 Jag's, and 15,000 went in for service, that's 6%. Both companies had 15,000 cars in for service, but the Honda is obviously more reliable, since they had twice as many cars in the field that *could* have needed service, but didn't.
     
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    Nice timing! When looking for one, I've found that I can barely get the words "M&P Sport" out of my mouth before getting laughter in return. Hoping to get lucky at the gun show this weekend...
     
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    But you said, "More units sold means higher probability of failure." Failure shouldn't be based upon the amount sold. It should be based upon factors such as quality control and parts used. Many people argue that it is based upon luxury brand name and for a higher price you get a better product but that is not always true. We keep arguing that the M&P 15 Sport is going to show as a failure once a certain number have been sold and have been used for a certain length of time. That is speculation at best. How many thousands of Smith & Wesson revolvers are out there that have proven to be reliable compared to other brands that sold less over the years but perhaps at a higher price point? Besides, we all should realize that pricing for most items is not based upon the price to produce the item but is based upon researching the market to see how much people are willing to pay for a certain item and/or a certain brand. It's marketing at it's finest. Who's to say a company cannot still make money by offering a cheaper product which is just as good as the higher end product and in the end the company with the cheaper product makes more profit because they sold more units overall and word of mouth spread the good news about the reliability of the product? In the end.....only time will tell. And if there is a political situation that causes an increase in gun pricing again then we will see the M&P Sport selling for $1,000 one day.
     
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    Good luck man. I was having the same experience and finally found one. It was not the sub $600 deal that many here were able to get, but I am not wasting time, gas, and $8 to $10 entrance fees to gun shows every weekend now.

    Hoping to get to the range this weekend and have an uneventful experience like the OP did. :cool:
     
  19. TangoFoxtrot

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    If that laughter was from a LGS I would have said "have a good laugh moron because you just lost a $700+ sale" :upeyes:
     
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  20. Ronbars

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    Haha I see it like that as well! I'm all for the thrill of the hunt, but once I find one in stock I'm not going to let it go unless they're asking stupid money for it.

    Have fun at the range!
     
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