I'll preface by saying this thread is not intended to judge his innocence or guilt, nor is it meant to wish ill will on any of the people involved. There is another thread for that aspect of the discussion. The purpose here is look at the situation from purely an S&P perspective. This guy has apparently built a bunker, stockpiled supplies, and prepared for TEOTWAWKI. He is now in a situation where he MAY be trapped by people who want to CAPTURE him (note, that's a key difference versus the extreme that he prepared for). So you've got one group on the outside with rules to follow and him on the inside. Any thoughts from an S&P perspective? http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/04/27/swat-teams-surround-seattle-urvivalist-bunker/ Some observations - is it a bunker with only one way in & out? something to think about if you're fortunate enough to have land and the ability to build your own. it appears gas masks have served him well water - if he had a gas mask, i'd assume he also has a good supply of water. Those that are hunting him are going to be unwilling to give up. without water, he'd have to poke out eventually. In a TEOTWAWKI, how long do you think a group would wait before either moving up or taking more dramatic & destructive steps? if they "can see movement", is it really that good of a bunker? air source - where is he getting it from and how well protected is it? Anyway...these are just some initial thoughts along the lines that I was thinking would be of interest here. What are yours?