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Supreme court to strike down entire health care bill?

Discussion in 'Political Issues' started by FL Airedale, Mar 28, 2012.

  1. yamen1999


    Oct 4, 2008
    My daughter would be removed from my health insurance if the health care bill is struck down. I say strike the whole law because it is unconstitutional. My daughter and I will have to figure something else out, but that's life.

    Last edited: Mar 28, 2012

  2. Sporaticus

    Sporaticus Aw sheet main

    Feb 28, 2003
    Finally made 1000 posts
    I always thought it would be good for parents to be able to keep their kids on their insurance after school until they get a stable job.

    At that age, they aren't going to be using much in benefits, and if the insurance company can bill for another person, I would think that would be good for insurance companies. I remember right of school, I NEVER went to a doctor. I seldom ever do now.

    Plus, if a 23 year old unemployed college grad were to get seriously ill, the parents are most likely going to help pay, so the insurance coverage would help the parents. It would help protect the parents retirement savings.

    It seems like our government went all or none with the healthcare law, when they could have done a little here and a little there to greatly improve things.

    I don't know how old your daughter is, but she can get a good policy from Blue Cross for less than $100 a month. I know because I had my own insurance for a while, and I was 47 years old.
  3. JBnTX

    JBnTX Bible Thumper

    Aug 28, 2008
    Fort Worth Texas
    If, and that's a big if, Obamacare is struck down in it's entirety, that's the end of Obama.


    Sep 14, 2008
    I doubt it.

    Obama could hold a press conference about Obamacare being shot completely down by the Supreme Court, during which he could wipe his ass with an American flag, spit on a war memorial, kick a puppy and a kitten, call white people any racial epithet of his choosing, and run through the streets stabbing/shooting everyone he sees, and America is still dumb enough to buy Obama 2012 bumper stickers, and vote for him to boot.

    Sad, but people in this country are starting to make me ashamed to be an American. Hopefully my faith in the country will be restored come November, but I'm not holding my breath. I honestly don't think Obama's term is but half over.
  5. Glock30Eric

    Glock30Eric .45 ACP

    Feb 3, 2011
    Southern Maryland
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  6. G29Reload

    G29Reload Tread Lightly

    Sep 28, 2009

    We can only be so lucky.

    He is an idiot, Constitutionally speaking, and recall if you will, the SOTU speech where he basically dissed the SCOTUS to their faces.

    I know they're not supposed to consider anything but the facts, but I still think that was a stupid move as far as he was concerned.

    Based on what Scalia said today, it sounds like he won't sever the individual mandate from the rest of the bill on its size alone, saying something to the effect of, "You want us to consider every component of this 2700 page bill outside of the mandate not surviving? A mocking tone at that.

    Scalia also indicated there was no way to go thru it all short of just dumping it on the Clerks.

    Severing the bill and killing the mandate but allowing the rest to survive without killing it will create burdens Congress never envisioned.
    Last edited: Mar 28, 2012
  7. Very true. Everyone is speculating what the justices might do when they go to vote. The court has a long history of passing out narrow rulings on the cases they hear.

    The court has basically three options, strike bill in its entirety, strike portions of the bill and let other portions stand, or let the entire bill stand. In the Heller and Chicago 2A cases the court could have gone beyond the limits of the case but they chose not to. I suspect (a pure guess) that the court will choose the middle of the road and strike portions of the bill and let other portions stand. I don't think they have it in them to perform the right and just course of action and strike the entire bill (eta: I hope I'm wrong and they do strike the entire bill as unconstitutional). If they choose to let the entire bill pass then the flood gates for progressive/statists to force all sorts of government things upon the peasants.
    Last edited: Mar 28, 2012
  8. HexHead


    Jul 16, 2009
    Not so fast Kemosabe. It will likely ensure his reelection. The Dems will go into full jihad mode on how they tried to provide universal healthcare to everyone, but those mean Republicans took it all away.

    Thankfully, it's looking like the Dems will lose the Senate by 8-10 seats, so we'll have wonderful gridlock and nothing will get done in DC, which can only be a good thing.
  9. G29Reload

    G29Reload Tread Lightly

    Sep 28, 2009
    Another possibility exists, though unlikely.

    He could refuse to acknowledge the Court's edict and continue to implement it.

    Back in the days of westward expansion and Andrew Jackson, the Cherokee nation, one of the brightest Indian tribes that mastered our language and/or got legal assistance, took the Government to court regarding being kicked out of NC, which later resulted in the Trail of Tears.

    After they had WON…pushed it to the Supreme Court, which ruled in their favor!

    Andrew Jackson's response was, "How big an Army does the Supreme Court have?"

    Of course there would probably be a revolt.

    OTOH, with an R majority in Congress, I don't know why Boehner has pussied out and refused to defund O-care, he has the votes and all revenue issues emanate by rules from the House.
  10. steve4102


    Jan 2, 2009
    Not sure what you are referring to as the real Obama Care has not taken total affect yet.

    Check your State Insurance Regulations. Here in MN, children can and will remain on parents Medical insurance plan until the age of 25, school or no school.
  11. HexHead


    Jul 16, 2009
    Heller and McDonald weren't Congressional bills crafted without a severability clause. One federal court in FL found that because of that if you strike one provision as unconstitutional, the whole bill is unconstitutional as well.
  12. samurairabbi

    samurairabbi Dungeon Schmuck

    Dec 31, 1998
    Indianapolis, IN
    In 1937, FDR tried packing the US Supreme Court. The political damage to the New Deal was severe. Roosevelt started from the 1936 landslide victory; Obama would not have the political headroom that Roosevelt had.
  13. evlbruce


    Nov 3, 2003
    That's James Carville's tact and I agree with it.

    The cost of Medicare, Medicaid, and medicine in general will continue it's upward spiral of cost with or without 0bamacare. This way Dems can blame the Healthcare mess on Republicans instead of having to deal with the utter ruin their program would have brought.
    Last edited: Mar 28, 2012
  14. KING-PIN


    Sep 14, 2008
    Wouldn't surprise me one bit.

    Revolt? I guess I just feel like if it didn't happen when rumor got around that Obama was going to bankrupt the country, it's not going to happen at all. I can hope that enough people care about the country's well being to do so, but so many don't just so long as they keep getting everything handed to them. They aren't going to fight for anything besides whatever gets them more of your paycheck. And since they get everything free from me because i work my ass off daily, and they dont, they are the underprivileged and we should always cater to the underprivileged. What a crock of BS.

    Absolutely. Your probably right. Damn all of those who gave their life's for the country (who would almost certainly be ashamed of what they would see today if they could) but don't you dare touch that fluffy little kitten! Seriously? Is this how weak we have become? I'm all for the humane treatment of animals, but without the flag and all those who protect her, you wouldn't be able to sit around and worry about things so trivial. You'd worry about things more like "Hope I don't die today."
  15. cowboy1964


    Sep 4, 2009
    This bill has already been in place for two years. Unwinding it all is going to be a fiasco. More likely Congress and the Prez will get together and actually hack out a compromise.

    It's going to be interesting. But I hear they won't make a decision until June? :steamed:
  16. Obama will blame judicial activism for overturning the will of the people. After Obama is re-elected he will use this as an excuse to railroad the Republicans into supporting his judicial nominees and pack the Supreme Court. This does not bode well for the Second Amendment.