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Discussion in 'Carry Issues' started by HerrGlock, Aug 11, 2012.
Typical Liberal media bias, if you look at the state of Ohio alone since 2009 the ccw permits have been increasing year over year. You will have fluctuations and shooting incidents will help drive those up at times, the trend has been up for awhile. The complaint is not requiring more training and some states don't require any. So honest journalism goes out the window when it doesn't fit their agenda. That's another example of why I don't watch the news.
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He is worried that CCW carriers don't have enough training with 10 hours classroom and two hours shooting. It's much less then Police.
We are not Police. We do not arrest people. We do not draw and use our pistols against another person as a everyday occurrence.
We cannot force compliance at gunpoint.
It's not the same as law enforcement.
This is the same training as my state.
The high sheriff himself said, I think you have to understand in today's society, we don't know who is carrying weapons out there.
That's exactly the best reason for me to have my carry permit. I'm all for training, but not mandated training.
Like someone in another recent thread said perhaps a person should be required to spend six months with Glocktalk Carry Issues. Or at least go to www.handgunlaw.us Ha ha.
This sheriff is trying to have it both ways; he's a liberal....plain and simple. Telling me you are a 2A supporter, then say I want MORE gubbermint intervention.......sure...I believe you!
When a LEO (ie. COP, Sheriff etc) is going after MORE training and MORE background checks, that is code for "I" want to give CCW to who "I" want to have it! What MORE background checks does he want? What MORE training does he want?
Alexander has never liked Ohio's CCW. He wants to go interview your neighbors and even your employer when you apply for the CHL so they can look for "red flags". In 2011 he stated in an interview that "we in law enforcement are still not used to people carrying guns". Uh hello, it's only been seven years! Really disingenuous of him to keep proclaiming that he is so pro-2nd Amendment.
"I think you have to understand in today's society, we don't know who is carrying weapons out there," - Sheriff Alexander.
You're right, Sheriff. But before legal CCW only the bad guys were carrying.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-JM1ywgDyg"]Sheriff Drew Alexander talks about controversial Ohio gun law. - YouTube[/ame]
Herr Glock has it right: Required training is a 2nd amendment infringement, and is not proven to help AT ALL.
Indeed, in the states which have required training, these seem to be exactly the places where bad shoots happen. At any rate, the logic is easy: If training helps, use statistics to show your case. So far you cannot, the data is just not there to show it helps.
That goes both ways... If training is bad use statistics to show your case. I would venture to say there is no such data supporting your contention that training actually causes bad shoots.
Personally I have no problem with SOME level of training. At least for the legal aspects of using deadly force, if not the firearm training. Use some common sense.
He should be more worried about the surge in people carrying illegally.
See, I think this could be something the police and CCW carriers could work on together. I would have been happy to take a classroom and range course taught by officers in order to get a CCW. I took the courses at my local NRA certified instructor club on my own.
Actually, it's worse than that. I believe it's code for "only I (the police) should be able to carry a firearm". There's nothing to suggest he wants any citizen to posses a permit to carry.
Well then, I guess the Sheriff doesn't catch on too fast.
Furthermore, I don't think he can speak for all law enforcement officers, as many of them are actually acquainted with the laws surrounding the practice of citizens legally carrying concealed.
You can bet he's a liberal.........................
As I always write and say, I want fewer laws not more.
While I don’t think more training should be a law, I do think it should be a personal goal for a person with a CCW. I think that advanced training might help if a person gets into a bad situation. For me, I think it’s about survival. Times are getting worse not better.
Since the default position is (or at least, should be) no gov't interference with the peaceful exercise of protected civil rights, anyone (especially any gov't official) who wants to impose restrictions has the burden of proving that those restrictions will benefit society.
That hasn't happened.
The rate of wrongful shootings, the rate of crime committed by LACs, etc., are NOT higher in Constitutional Carry states than in states with no training requirement, which are not higher than in states with minimal training, which are not higher than in states with rigorous training.
In fact, there's nothing bad happening in the Constitutional Carry states (or states which only require a background check for a cc license) which could be solved by training (or more training) of citizens.
If there were problems, I'm sure the media would be all over it.
And not one word of concern about criminals carrying guns illegally but God forbid that someone legally carry a gun.
I never like the guy. He's something I can't call him here. You can guess what the word is.
Urinalysis taste tester. It also isn't against the TOS to use
Wht the article fails to mention is that in Ohio, you can apply for a CCW in your own county or an adjoining county. Summit county is bordered by Cuyahoga County (greater Cleveland) to the north, where over 1.2 million people live (10% of state population). Many in Cuyahoga County are going to Summit to apply for their CCW. Why?
The law in Ohio gives the sheriffs office up to 45 days to process CCW applications. Cuyahoga County takes the full 45 days to process applications mostly because its heavily Democratic and anti-gun. In Summit and other surrounding counties, the processing time is much less, sometimes only a week. So if you want to get your CCW license processed quickly, you go to Summit county.
But 'Common Sense' is an intrusive attempt by the gubmint to infringe on my right to keep and bear arms.
At least that's what I've been told by the tinfoilers.