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Discussion in 'Band of Glockers' started by maomanila, Dec 7, 2005.

  1. maomanila

    maomanila

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    Stupid or careless or both. Mabuti walang napuruhan.



    Gun goes off at NAIA: 4 hurt
    By Rainier Allan Ronda
    The Philippine Star 12/08/2005

    Four women, including two passengers bound for jobs overseas, were hurt when a policeman accidentally fired his service firearm while surrendering it to an airport security guard at an eatery of the Ninoy Aquino International Airport (NAIA) Terminal I yesterday.

    Sherwena Akmad, 25, a departing passenger of a Saudia Airlines flight was hit by shrapnel in the left arm while Maritess Connell, 28, a passenger of a China Airlines flight was hit in the left leg and left arm. Gaudiosa Villanueva, an employee of the Philippine Treasure concession selling herbal supplements at the NAIA, was hit in the left leg while Maymona Dulin, a well wisher, was hit in the right thigh.

    The shrapnel that hit the four women came from a supposed accidental shot fired from a Colt Mark IV caliber .45 automatic belonging to PO2 Gregorio Laso Gale, 43, of the QCPD Mobile Division based at Camp Karingal in Quezon City. The incident took place at the entrance of the WOW restaurant at the third level of the NAIA departure area at around 11:10 a.m.

    Gale had accompanied his wife for her flight to Dubai.

    The officer was in the act of disarming prior to depositing his service firearm to airport security guards Marvin Carpio and Gina Killip when he unintentionally pulled the trigger.

    The resulting shot hit a portion of the lobby that had a steel flooring, causing shrapnel to hit the four women.

    The four injured were rushed to the nearby Manila International Airport Authority’s medical clinic for treatment of their injuries.
     
  2. horge

    horge -=-=-=-=- Lifetime Member

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    What stupidity.
    Given all the safeties built into a 1911...

    ;Q

    Lawsuits, anyone?
     

  3. Allegra

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    Who wants to bet , kinasa nya yung slide , and then released the mag , then pulled the trigger? :)
     
  4. That's why in countries like the US, most (if not all) police departments do not allow their officers 1911-type duty carry weapons.
    (If there's any law enforcer from the US out there, please correct me if I'm wrong)
    Duty carry firearms are supposed to be lawsuit resistant. It would be dificult to convince a jury that a 1911 carried in condition 1 is carried in the "safest possible way."
    I know, I know, many shooters out there would argue that a maintained 1911 with all its safeties intact has proven to be very safe, but you see nowadays, you have to be "lawsuit-oriented" in everything you do.
    I wonder if a locked and loaded Glock would be accepted by a jury as "safe?" Maybe. Many PDs issue it as a carry weapon.
    Here in the Philippines, I even see officers carrying their 1911's condition 1 in speed holsters! Aren't those meant for range use only?
     
  5. Aren't you penalized if you do this on the range in competition?
     
  6. Allegra

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    You'll be disqualified for unsafe gunhandling
    This is actuaaly quite common
    May nangyari din ganyan sa gunshow
    Sa gun club namin , I watched a newbie pick up a gun , clear it like so , then pull the trigger in front of me. Buti nalang hindi niya tinamaan yung suot kong adidas GridIrons , tagal ko pa naman inantay yun
    Of course the common excuse is may sa demonyo yung baril
    It has nothing to do w/ the 1911 pistol design , but unsafe gunhandling
     
  7. 9MX

    9MX Rei!

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    dq agad!

    i remember this incident happening to one BOG ;z
     
  8. batangueno

    batangueno Shock Resist

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    1911
    - disengage grip safety
    - disengage thumb safety
    - pull trigger

    Glock
    - pull trigger

    Which one do you think is safer?

    Like what Allegra pointed out, it's not the gun but the person using the gun.
     
  9. isuzu

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    That happened at Robinsons Place in Bacolod, too. A PNP officer surrendered his 1911 to the guards (at least, he followed policy) when he watched a movie (last full show).

    After watching the movie, he claimed his gun. Witnesses said that he loaded his 1911, and tucked it in his waist with an inside holster. Then, BOOM!

    Everbody froze, and he was the first one who said, "is anyone hit?"

    A security guard then pointed to his legs, and said, "sir, you're bleeding." He then collapsed. The surgeon, who is also a shooter who attended to him said he was lucky. The bullet grazed his p**is, penetrated and exited one of his leg. The bullet also missed his artery.

    Nakakahiya...
     
  10. Taurus

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    Most if not all police officers I have seen packing 1911's carry the gun in condition one i.e., chamber loaded, hammer cocked and safety (probably) on. He probably just removed the magazine then pulled the trigger.

    Anyway, let us take this opportunity to remind ourselves of the need for focus at all times when carrying a firearm. Even the most experienced shooters sometimes slip up because they were distracted or had taken the necessary precautions for granted. The possession of a firearm carries with it an enormous responsibility. Let us not take a "that would never happen to me" attitude; as this could blunt our outlook and could eventually be proven wrong in the worst possible way. In other words, ingat lang! (be careful).
     
  11. Ersatz0906

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    sir sorry ha but what does condition 1 means? any other conditions?
     
  12. darwin25

    darwin25 Make your move

    na-archive na siguro yung thread ko na nagka-AD / ND ako. Couldn't find it anymore. The thread where I said I killed my VCD player and other BOGs sharerd their own AD / ND experiences.

    condition 1 = Cocked & Locked.
    condition 2 = 1 in chamber, Hammer down
    condition 3 = no ammo in chamber, mag inserted.

    I carry in condition 1 all the time. Funny though (or not), my Daewoo DP-51 was in condition 2 when I had a negligent discharge.
     
  13. akula

    akula BizDuc NM Millennium Member

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    We have different definitions of "Conditions in IPSC".
    In the older rule books -- before 2000A.D. :)
    Condition 1 - mag inserted, round in chamber, hammer up, safety engaged.
    Condition 2 - mag inserted, no round on chamber, hammer down, safety off
    Condition 3 - mag NOT inserted -- somewhere on pouch or on table.

    In the current 2004/2006 edition handgun rules, gun conditions are more explicitly described, rather than in codes. Maybe because each countries / regions have different ways of describing gun ready conditions.
     
  14. Vault Keeper

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    Dapat sa mga to binabatukan eh! Puro pogi points kasi eh!
     
  15. jerrytrini

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    Yes may pulis dito sa forum.

    Many US police departments auth their officers to carry 1911 variants.
     
  16. MELBU

    MELBU Ann2Tero

    pulis ng pilipinas majority mga tanga...angna nila! hehehe
     
  17. ppts799

    ppts799 Daisho

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    OT: sir AKULA, nice to see you here again, long time no see.
     
  18. bulm540

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    double DITTO!!! It can happen to anyone. Here in Nashville ( 3 nights ago) the arresting officer accidentally shot and killed a suspect while they were cuffing the suspect( does anyone think this police was tanga?)
     
  19. MELBU

    MELBU Ann2Tero

    I dont think thats tanga, maybe something hit his gun during the
    arrest and it accidentally fired.

    But the policeman who accidentally fired his gun while in the act
    of surrendering it, (Condition 1 - Trigger finger in) now thats tanga hehehe
     
  20. bulm540

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    Hmmmm....a glock 22.