First off, I'm not trying to compare the 9mm to the 40S&W, as it's possible that topic may have already been discussed. I know the 40 has more horsepower, and the 9 is easier to shoot. But I keep hearing that the latest hollow-points have really improved the 9's performance, and it's been awhile since I've researched 9mm's. And with ammo costs being what they are, the 9 is looking more and more attractive. A couple of quick qualifiers: I am interested in a short barreled carry gun, and I'm not especially interested in the exotic 9mm+P+++ ammo. Not being a LEO, I've found that the 357Sig is actually easier to find. And, if I'm going to shoot a 9 at those pressures and velocities, then it seems like I'd be better off with a 357Sig frame, brass and recoil spring that are factory designed to handle those pressures. However, any +P ammo that can be readily located and purchased by civilians would be happily considered. I am also a little skeptical of the latest & greatest "Magic" bullet that's guaranteed to instantly drop a charging rhinoceros at 100 yards with one shot (or whatever the claim-of-the-month is). I'm old enough to remember when the "experts" at the FBI told everyone that the original 147gr Subsonic was THE load for the 9mm. Alas, the actual street performance was somewhat less than spectacular. However, some of the current 147gr Subsonic's are actually supposed to be very good loads. Confused yet? Good, 'cause I am. Several manufacturers now have loads, like Speer's Gold Dot Short Barrel, that are designed to perform well at lower velocities. According to the manufacturer's Marketing Dept, some of these are just what I'm looking for. But I'd really like to find some actual street shootings, or at least some impartial tests that don't just blindly quote the manufacturer's press release. Not that I would ever doubt a press release... Just as a starting point for my own research, does anyone have any recommendations? Links to useful information? Any consensus on the best modern 9mm for shorter barrels? Thanks Wanna kill these ads? We can help!