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"Start ALL AR Builds as Pistol!" Why not?

Discussion in 'Black Rifle Forum' started by OrangeJoe, Feb 20, 2013.


  1. OrangeJoe

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    Start ALL Builds as Pistol! Why not?


    If I start my AR build as a pistol, I can then use the same lower for Pistol AND Rifle uppers. I can switch back and forth without any legal issue as long as I take off the stock.


    Does everyone do this to preclude any issues when switching uppers, if not why?


    What are the downsides to this?

    I just put my lower together, but have not attached a butt stock or barrel (don't barrel yet) and this question keeps popping up in my mind. Should I just snap a pistol upper on first? :dunno:
     

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    When I was in my LGS a few weeks ago, this question came up from another customer. The dealer said the lower came into the shop undesignated, but when she enters it in the bound book and on a 4473, she has to say what it is and what initial caliber. So if your lower was at any prior point classified as a rifle that is what it is to BATFE. Since you are finishing a build, this is a question of fact which can be answered by the FFL from whom it was acquired. If you bought it FtoF from an individual, the FFL who first processed it into a 4473 would be the place to check.


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  3. OrangeJoe

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    railfancwb,

    We seem to be discussing two different subjects, my question is regarding a new build. The paperwork on the receiver is marked "rcvr" as it should. It becomes a pistol with all the aforementioned benefits once I build it into one; hence my question on any downsides to that.

    I guess if you are buying a used or mislabeled (on paperwork) receiver your warnings would apply.

    thanks for the reply.
     
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    Stripped lowers are "other". If they are logging them in as anything else they are doing it wrong.
     
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    Yep thats the way my last lower was logged- other!:supergrin:
     
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    I see no downfall to doing this. In fact, i'm doing the same thing until I get my paperwork back for my SBR. Seems Like a reasonable Idea, but it's probably more practical to have a designated Pistol lower so you don't have to keep switching the stocks on/off, it's not a huge deal, but i'd rather not have to do it multiple times if I could help it.
     
  7. OrangeJoe

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    I guess it is common practice then, I'm just late to the party :)

    Since I don't see this mentioned in the build threads as a standard step I thought it was not that well known .
     
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    Actually, I'm not sure if it's common or not. I heard my local gunstore guy talking about pistols and a few weeks later I saw a few on here, asked around, and came to the conclusion that since i'm so impatient, that I better build a pistol so I wouldn't be tempted to make an illegal SBR while my paperwork was with the ATF. :supergrin:
     
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    My next build is proceeding as a pistol so I can convert to an SBR later with just changing out the buffer tube.

    Just need to get my trust set up.

    I'm of the feeling that you should just have a dedicated pistol lower if you really want an AR pistol and don't plan on converting it.






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    No one knows what you started your rifle build as. And no one will ever check, so technically any stripped lower can be started as anything and turned into anything later. :)
     
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    That is correct.
     
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    This....
     
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    Not in CA. AR's cannot be made into pistols if the lower is not registered as such from initial purchase since CA requires registration of all handgun purchases and there is a central state registry of handguns and who owns them.

    Then you have the problem of non-LEO's not being able to buy a new pistol from a dealer that is not on an approved list from the DOJ. They test handguns in various "safety" tests and since a stripped lower cannot be tested, it will never be a safe gun for DOJ, therefore, a non-LEO will never be able to buy a new stripped AR lower and register it as a pistol.

    LEO's are exempt from the list, so they can DROS an AR lower as a pistol from the dealer. My friends and I have done that. A non-LEO can buy a handgun registered stripped lower from a LEO and build his own at that point. However, once you make a pistol lower into a rifle, you cannot turn it back into a pistol without running afoul of other laws.

    Calguns has a few threads which discuss this same issue and they are very informative. I didn't read nor retain too much from those threads since I will never build a pistol or rifle on the same lower, I keep mine separated. Pistol is a pistol, rifle is a rifle.
     
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    California has the most nonsensical gun laws ever. A "rifle" AR is no more or less deadly or unsafe than a"pistol" AR.
     
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    Of course it is.

    A rifle is more dangerous if it's under 30" overall length. That's why we don't have folding stock AK's. Our FN PS90, even when outfitted with a federally legal 16" barrel, still has to have an extra buttpad extension welded on to make it long enough for CA. Some have just taken to putting on an extra long flash hider so it's not as ridiculously ugly.

    Rifles are also very dangerous if the magazines actually fall free with a push of a button, so ours have a bullet button that locks the mag and can't release without using a tool like the tip of a bullet inserted into a small hold to activate the release.

    But nothing is complete without a magazine capacity limit of 10 rounds because we know we have to spare the 11th shooting victim. Killing 10 is enough for any mass murderer. He doesn't need to kill that 11th guy... unless he topped off at home after loading 1 in the chamber, in which case it's the 12th victim that will be spared.
     
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    Go away. Can you not see that people from free states are talking?
     
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    :rofl: I shouldn't be laughing this hard :rofl:
     
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    I know... I'm sorry, just didn't want you free people to forget those of us behind enemy lines in the occupied territories.:crying: