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Speedloaders and J-Frames

Discussion in 'General Firearms Forum' started by Big Bird, Aug 13, 2012.

  1. Big Bird

    Big Bird NRA Life Member

    Aug 7, 2003
    Louisville KY
    Do all speedloaders for J Frames suck or is it me?

    I have a couple of loaders from H&K, Safariland and 5 Star and I can't get any of them to work worth a damn with my 340 M&P or my model 36/60.

    Not too big a deal as I usually carry a Bianchi speed strip when I'm toting my M&P because its flat and slides in my pocket easily.

    So what's gives? Am i retarded or is this the way it is...
  2. countrygun


    Mar 9, 2012
    No to be smug but I have no problem because I have grips that are designed with speedloaders in mind.

    It might be a matter of technique as well. I learned a couple of tricks that help a bit.

  3. janice6

    janice6 Silver Member

    Apr 4, 2006
    I have a couple of them for the 642 and they are no problem.

    But I do prefer to carry speed strips as others have stated.
  4. faawrenchbndr

    faawrenchbndr DirtyThirty fan CLM

    Nov 24, 2005
    I prefer speed strips, but hae used 5-Star speed loaders without issue
    Last edited: Aug 13, 2012
  5. Speed loaders take some practice and refresher time. Certain bullet types also work better than others. Youre not using wadcutters, are you? :)

    How do you normally load your revolvers (assuming your a right handed shooter), holding the gun in your left hand while you reload, or in your right? Not picking on you, but you'd be amazed at how many people dont know how to properly load/reload a revolver.

    As countrygun said, grips can be a major issue when using a speed loader. Most of the newer combat type grips do have the cut out, but Ive seen some older grips that dont. I use the old "service" type stocks with a "T" grip on my J frames. No problems with speed loaders, and it makes the gun pretty much the smallest youre going to get it.
  6. fnfalman

    fnfalman Chicks Dig It

    Oct 23, 2000
    California & New Mexico, US
    Gotta make sure that the grip panels don't block the speedloaders. This is why I favor skinny grips for snubbies. I don't have J-frame but I prefer skinny grips on my Colt snubbies because of clearance for speedloaders.
  7. Buffering

    Buffering The Cooler

    Aug 8, 2005
    Rocking the Casbah
    ^^^^^ This is the money quote of the year.

    In this day of wonder 9's and mega magazines, people don't learn and train on revolvers, especially when one has been told that a revolver is nothing more than a quicker reload.

    There are ways to load a revolver quickly. They involve practice. They also involve using appropriate grips.
  8. barth

    barth six barrels

    Oct 7, 2011
    The Free Zone
    You didn't mention what grips you have on the guns?
    Not all grips are made to accept speed loaders.

    I use Hogue Bantam grips on my J-Frames.
    HKS work fine with them.
    My favorite speed loader is a Jet Loader (Buffer Technologies).
    Use them on my 65-3 K-Frame with Bantam grips.
    Last edited: Aug 13, 2012
  9. collim1

    collim1 Shower Time!

    Mar 14, 2005
    Like said above its the grips that cause the problem. I can still use HKS's with my 442 but it takes an extra second of wiggling. Still faster than a speed strip, but speed strips carry alot better.
  10. Bruce M

    Bruce M

    Jan 3, 2010
    S FL
    I have reasonable results with HKS speedloaders also.
  11. Berto

    Berto woo woo

    Sep 15, 2003
    The factory 'sliver' grips work fine, as do the Spegel styled Uncle Mikes that used to come on the 442/642. I use them on all my J frames and they work fine with HKS or Safariland loaders.
  12. D4RWlN


    Nov 5, 2005
    Southeastern, AL
    I have tried all the ones you listed with my 340 m&p. They do indeed suck with the 340 since they won't clear the grips. Check out the SL variants. They work extremely well.

    Last edited: Aug 16, 2012
  13. fastbolt


    Jun 9, 2002
    CA Central Coast
    I have more than half a dozen J's. They sport a variety of (grip) stocks.

    I use both Safariland & HKS speedloaders with all of them. I carried both designs, at one time or another, when I carried both issued & personally owned revolvers all the time. I used speedstrips back then, too, but mostly as backup to my speedloaders.

    I learned revolver loading (hint, "reloading" is the same as "loading" ;) ) and practiced it for many years. It's a skill.

    I practiced with both Safariland (2 types) and HKS for so many years that my fingers seem to recognize which type I'm holding, and manipulate them accordingly, before my conscious mind stops to recognize the difference. (I usually refer to it as "pattern recognition", similar to my hand conforming to different pistols & revolvers as I grasp them, resulting from familiarity & practice over the years.)

    Hey, that's what training is for, right? (I can also operate both an automatic & manual transmission vehicle, and my motorcycle clutch, without having to stop and think about it in moments of unexpected stress ... as long as I remain in practice driving all of them, of course.)

    Speedstrips require a practiced skill, too. (Big surprise, right?)

    The ammunition (bullet nose profile or hollowpoint cavity shape) can have an influence at times, as well.

    I carry speedloaders if I have the room. I carry speedstrips if pocket room (and its access) is restricted, or when I want to carry more strips than I can speedloaders due to pocket size constraints. Just depends.

    At least with the huge interest in 5-shot J's over the last couple of decades, we've been seeing increasingly better grip stock options that are more "speedloader friendly" than in earlier years. I still occasionally have older S&W factory stocks turned in that have been modified (filed) to relieve them for speedloaders.

    I've seen some revolver owners & users/shooters seem to more easily, and/or quickly, able to adapt to different speedloaders. Cool. If it works for them ... it works for them. Seems pretty simple.

    It's still part of the whole perishable skill aspect of safely, properly & effectively using a handgun, though.

    Just my thoughts.
  14. fastbolt


    Jun 9, 2002
    CA Central Coast
    Oops. DT ...
    Last edited: Aug 15, 2012
  15. FireForged

    FireForged Millenium #3936 Millennium Member

    Dec 25, 1999
    Rebel South
    if I ever have to use my speed loader It will be a re-run of Magnum PI where he was trying to pick the lock at the guest house and kept saying " pick the lock, dont look at the dogs".

    I cant reload quickly either, dont feel bad. I do just fine when I do it casual. If I was ever in a real gunfight reload, I would probably just dump the 3 easy ones and let the other 2 fall. 3 rounds are better than no rounds.
    Last edited: Aug 15, 2012
  16. cowboywannabe

    cowboywannabe you savvy?

    Jan 26, 2001
    ive yet to find something that works better for me than Safariland Comps
    Last edited: Aug 15, 2012
  17. Jade Falcon

    Jade Falcon WTF EREN?!

    Aug 2, 2004
    Vancouver, WA.
    Same here. I have two for my 642, one of which I'm carrying in my left front pocket. The other one stays at home because, though it works fine, the rounds are loose in the loader, and wiggle around slightly. The one in my pocket is pretty solid though.
  18. D4RWlN


    Nov 5, 2005
    Southeastern, AL
    Have you tried sl variants?
  19. Travclem

    Travclem Badass Member Lifetime Member

    Aug 4, 2008
    Lubbock, TX
    I have a 642 60 and 36, No issue with HKS speedloaders.

    ETA: I carry speed strips
    Last edited: Aug 16, 2012