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Some 38+P and .357 SIG loads.

Discussion in 'Caliber Corner' started by clarkstoncz, Sep 11, 2012.

  1. clarkstoncz


    Sep 28, 2006
    Here are two defensive loads that might be of interest to you guys.
    I've shot 125 gr. Gold Dots before and found them to have less recoil than the 158 grain loads,
    and to be more accurate than 158s out of my guns as well.
    Others might like the low recoil of the 110s like the excellent Remington Express JHP load,
    or the exquisite Double Tap Barnes 110 gr. solid copper TAC-XP


    However... some will still opt for the heavier JHPs in the 125 grain weight, if not the 158 gr. 38+P SCW FBI load

    Given that I don't like much recoil and think that most of my guns, especially a Snub Nose, needs to be both
    comfortable and controllable.

    I just don't like 158 grain recoil out of Snubbie, or even something like a heavier Service Six where I would rather just have
    a Magnum load like the 125 gr. Remington or Cor-Bon JHP. IF not the Remmy 158 JSP.

    Double Tap states this 125 gr. Bonded Defense load uses flash suppressant powders and it has virtually no muzzle flash.
    I have yet to verify this, but know that most modern ammo companies like SPEER, use such powders to minimize the
    flash problem. SIG/DOUBLE TAP -Summer 2012/DT-38-Huge.jpg

    In keeping with the bonded bullet theme that we see in most modern designs these days.

    Unlike something like a Cor-Bon or DT 125. grain .357 SIG fragmenting load or the infamous 125 gr. .357 magnum JHP.

    The Gold Dot bullet used in the DT BONDED DEFENSE line of ammo, is a BONDED design that reduces the event of jacket separation.
    This seems to offer both excellent tactical penetration, while delivering sufficient bullet expansion and resulting excellent stopping power.

    They might seem a bit dated in comparison to the newer bullets on the market.

    Yet, in the hands of police and state troopers, as well as armed citizens...Gold Dots have been working well for decades!

    Advertised velocity for this DT load is:

    Velocity: 1175fps / 4" Ruger GP-100
    1.875" bbl S&W - 1100fps

    This is pretty fast for any .38 Special bullet, with the DT 110 gr. TAC-XP going

    1250fps / 4" Ruger GP-100
    1.875" bbl S&W - 1125fps

    Note that the same firm's 38 Special+P 158gr. SWC TAP/1575758666.jpg

    has an advertised velocity of:

    1000fps / 4" Ruger GP-100
    1.875" bbl S&W - 900fps

    Another, Bonded Defense offering that utilizes the Speer Gold Dot, is the 115 gr. 357 SIG B.D. JHP. TAP 357 SIG/DT357_AUG/DT357med.jpg

    With an advertised velocity of:

    3.5" barrel - 1494fps
    4.5" barrel - 1612fps

    This load is really smoking along for a 115. TAP 357 SIG/DT357_AUG/DT357.jpg
    My 80 gr. TAC-XPs are advertised at:

    1725fps / 529 ft. lbs. 4.25" S&W M&P
    1825fps Glock 35 5.25"

    I find that those have less recoil and muzzle blast/flash than the 115 gr. Noslers,
    but that just might be my mind playing tricks on me.

    The Noslers seem to be louder than the 80 grain Barnes X bullets. TAP 357 SIG/dt-nos2.jpg
    These 115s will be interesting to shoot! TAP 357 SIG/DT357_AUG/DT357long.jpg

    I believe that all these loads are safe in guns like J fames and LCRs, ect, but like with all modern/high performancedefensive loads these days-only for very limited use to minimize wear on your gun(s).


    For more information:
    DoubleTap Ammunition
    DoubleTap Ammunition
    DoubleTap Ammunition
    .357 SIG
    DoubleTap Ammunition

    DoubleTap Ammunition

    DoubleTap Ammunition

    Thanks for looking!

  2. Clutch Cargo

    Clutch Cargo Amsterdam Haze

    Nov 29, 2010
    I really like Double Tap ammo.

  3. Berto

    Berto woo woo

    Sep 15, 2003
    I'd love to see the chrono data.
  4. bac1023


    Sep 26, 2004
    The problem is that DT generally doesn't live up the advertised velocities.
  5. ABNAK


    Apr 22, 2005
    I chrono'd DT's 125gr Sierra 357Sig load and it averaged 1452fps from a 4" barrel. I can live with that.

    I also chrono'd DT's 150gr Nosler .40 load and it averaged 1167fps from a 3.2" barrel (supposed to do 1275 from a 4" barrel).
  6. fastbolt


    Jun 9, 2002
    CA Central Coast
    I used to spend time and money trying to obtain specialty ammunition. As a younger cop I sought out, found and carried the Geco BAT 9mm loads, the early Scorpian Hydra-Shok all-lead .38 Spl & .45 ACP loads, etc.

    Nowadays I tend to stick with the major American companies and their modern designed hollowpoints.

    For one thing, it costs less.

    For another, it's usually easier to find than specialty products.

    When you're going to be using it for training/practice and carry ammo, cost & availability both become important considerations.

    Also, when the major ammo companies make ammo for their LE/Gov customers, it also often means they have to meet various production specifications and QC requirements.

    Sure, when you're cranking out up to a million rounds every 24 hours there's bound to be an occasional QC issue arise, but those things can be recognized and addressed by the companies.

    Another potential consideration is that the engineers working for the major ammo companies have the money and resources for development and testing of their bullets and loads.

    Don't get me wrong. I like to see small American businesses prosper. I like to see innovation. (I'd like to see more all-copper hollowpoints in factory ammo.)

    I just no longer spend the money to buy specialty ammo when I can buy various examples of the big name premium loads in greater quantities, more easily, and get more rounds for the money.
  7. SCmasterblaster

    SCmasterblaster Millennium Member

    Sep 24, 1999
    Hartford, Vermont
    That .38 Special 125gr JHP load looks aggressive indeed.
  8. Tiro Fijo

    Tiro Fijo

    May 31, 2011

    Like the Ford Pinto debacle? :whistling: :supergrin:

    These cos. are ran just like any other corporation with money being the bottom line. We saw that with Winchester's move to MS despite being awarded a huge $54 million Fed. contract spoon fed to them with help of an IL Senator.

    Your mention of the SCHP is a prefect example. All testing shows it to be superior to lead base bullets, but yet the Big Four have been reluctant to really get behind it, except for Federal with a paltry showing in hangdun rounds that no one has hardly ever seen and some rifle hunting rounds. Surely, the prices could be made competitive with the industry making these by the tens of millions, yet there appears to be the NIH Syndrome in play, i.e., not invented here.

    I think the REAL reason they don't get behind the SCHP is far more simple: the SCHP is already at its apex. They can't tweak, tune & über refine it thereby spinning BS. It would merely be a matter of who has the lowest bid and the engineers would not be needed en masse for further development. They would be like the livery stable owner who designed an automobile thereby insuring their own demise.

    Ammo cos. and their respective engineers will do what is in their own best interests and not ours. The great exception was the H&K G11. Paradise was truly lost there and history will prove us idiots for not seeing the future.
  9. fastbolt


    Jun 9, 2002
    CA Central Coast
    Made me chuckle. I was with Ford back about '73-74. :)