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So tell me about 9x23...

Discussion in '1911 Forums' started by Quack, Feb 4, 2011.

  1. Quack

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  2. gomerpyle

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    The owner of my company and my plant manager have Star model B's in 9mm Largo (9x23). It's a pretty sweet shooter, 9mm on steroids. They buy all their ammo either online or at gun shows by the brick. I haven't really heard them complain about ammo availability from either sources.
     
  3. polizei1

    polizei1 It WAS Quack

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    Doesn't seem any better ballistics wise to me? Unless I'm missing something, isn't GD's 124gr +p right around the same velocity?
     
  4. glock2740

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    Well, Winchester 125 Silver Tip = 1450fps @ 583 foot #'s of energy vs. the 124+P Gold Dot at 1220fps @ 410 foot #'s of energy. Not too close in my book. And I'm a HUGE 124+P Gold Dot fan. That's all I carry in my 9mm's. :dunno:
     
  5. gomerpyle

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    There is a difference in recoil that's for sure. Ballistic wise I don't know? To me it's a novelty caliber, but the few hundred rounds I've shot I enjoyed (besides that damn hammer). It kind of reminded me of shooting a P226 in .357sig
     
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  6. Quack

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    Found a gun I might buy that's chambered in 9x23, but thinking of fitting a 9mm barrel in it too.
     
  7. glock2740

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    The 9x23 and 9x25 are both "novelty" rounds. But they aren't jokes by any means. :cool:
     
  8. HAIL CAESAR

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    I chrony'ed the Winchester factory in my Commander barrel and got around 1480 (if I remember right). That is out of a 4.25 barrel and over 600 foot pounds of energy. Definitely way over the hottest 9mm.

    Plus that is a factory load which is considered a light load, there is reload data for more velocity. Same concept as 38 Super with out the semi-rimmed case, and none of those hassles.

    As the bullets are lighter it doesn't take as much mag spring to lift them during cycling, which makes it inherently more reliable. Plus a tapered case which help reliability.

    In addition the Government mags hold 10 rounds. So you have a Government or Commander that holds 11 rounds.

    So you have a 1911 with 11 rounds that packs 600 foot pounds of punch. So basically a .357 magnum (and nobody laughs at .357 mags) with 11 rounds on tap and the recoil of a 38 Super 1911 (which is a *****cat). So what is not to love??

    Reloading is easy, but you have to be careful as it is a high pressure round. Only use Win brass and small rifle primers.

    Factory ammo will have to be ordered, but not hard to get. Brass is the same.

    9x23 Win and 9mm Largo is NOT the same stuff, it's two different rounds.
     
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  9. HAIL CAESAR

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    The only "con" I can think of is you will very likely have to order ammo and brass.
     
  10. Quack

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    decisions, decisions....here's the gun in question. it's a Brown Baer.

    [​IMG]
     
  11. glock2740

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    So I take it that you are agreeing with me, that 9x23 blows the doors off of the 9mm +P?:dunno:
     
  12. polizei1

    polizei1 It WAS Quack

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    That sure sounds like it!

    And I thought Quack wouldn't ever own a Baer? Or is it just because it's a Brown/Baer? :dunno:
     
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  13. Quack

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    it's an old Brown, back when he was just a custom shop, so i'm not buying a Baer, it's a Brown (on a Baer frame/slide) :tongueout:
     
  14. gomerpyle

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    I like :thumbsup: . Sorry about talking about the largo, didn't know the difference in 9x23. Learn something new everyday.

    From http://www.9mmlargo.com/cartridge/index.htm

    In 1996 Winchester introduced a new cartridge, the 9x23mm Winchester. The exterior case dimensions of this round are almost identical to the 9mm Largo. Interior dimensions are different though, as this cartridge is loaded to much higher pressure than the 9mm Largo. For this reason 9x23mm Winchester ammunition should not be used in 9mm Largo firearms. Reloading the brass to 9mm Largo specifications should not pose a problem, if it is remembered that the case capacity of the 9x23mm Winchester is less than that of the 9mm Largo and powder charges are adjusted accordingly.


     
  15. glock2740

    glock2740 Gun lover.

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    Cool gun Quack. Get it man. :thumbsup:
     
  16. glock2740

    glock2740 Gun lover.

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    If that makes you feel better. :rofl:
     
  17. Quack

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    You guys may have forgotten that I'll consider all brands for 2011