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So I installed the Siderlock...

Discussion in 'Sights, Optics and Lasers' started by dudester, Apr 28, 2009.

  1. sniper350

    sniper350

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    Your review is well written and I believe helpful to anyone thinking of further complicating their weapon.

    The reason I bought a Glock is its wonderful simplicity ......... a home defense gun for my wife to use should I be away. No levers to work ........ just pick up the weapon and pull the trigger ....... nothing could be simplier and believe me you will WANT "simple" should you ever have the mis- fortune of having to defend your life. Even the most simplest motor skills can become confused wild actions. I have told this story before on forums ........ I had a new Flashlight that turned on a little differently than most. I had been using that flashlight for about 2 months, enough time to be use to its functioning - I thought ? One night an emergency occurred in my neighborhood and I ran outside with the flashlight attached to my belt, as usual. The emergency became a life and death situation and I needed a flashlight. Becauase of the adrenlin ........ I could not get that flashlight to turn on ......... not even when my life depended on it and maybe because it did ? In a PANIC, I fumbled with that damn light with NO success. After the incident was over ........ I walked over to the ground where I threw the Flashlight,Picked it up and turned it ON like I had done it a million times before. Lesson here : Under extreme stress - even the simplist actions can become impossible to accomplish. It's hard to know how much training is sufficient to over-come this stress related "retardation" until the life threatening action really happens.

    Should you need your Glock to work ........say when someone is shooting at you ....... you might not even remember the Siderlock was even installed on your Glock ....... and maybe like me start to panic over why your weapon is not working.........???? Of course, if this weapon is just a range gun ,then no worries. I have nothing against a manual Safety ..... but you MUST train with it ALL the time, not just occasionally. It must be part of the firing sequence as with a 1911 as an example.

    But for self defense ........SIMPLE ....is better ......... and always will be !!!

    JF.
     
  2. p3v5

    p3v5

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    I have the siderlock on my 26 and 30 and love it. They have been on both of them for a year now with no problems whatsoever.You can look on www.siderlock.com and they put it through several thousand revolutions to test it with no problems at all.
     


  3. compassman

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    In the Marines we were pounded to keep our fingers of the trigger. I spent the last 15 years teaching people in my NRA classes to keep there finger off the trigger untill there ready to shoot. Now, there is this safety that is actually on the trigger on a pistol that was not designed for such safety device. Touching a trigger on a loaded pistol breaks a NRA golden rule.


    THE GOLDEN RULES

    Always keep the gun pointed in a safe direction.
    Always keep your finger off the trigger until ready to shoot. *******
    Always keep the gun unloaded until ready to use.

    Follow these three rules and there is no need for and safety on your trigger.

    Wait till 3AM and someone breaks into your house and your scared, rushing and your adreniline is pumping and you have no fine motor skills and you have to hit a little button on a trigger on a Glock. All while moving to your kids room or cover. As soon as you grab that pistol you are heading straight to the trigger! This defeats the entire design of the Glock. If you need such a safety device then don't own or buy a Glock. Find a gun designed with a safety that is safe to operate and that doesn't break any NRA Golden rules.
     
  4. texas 48

    texas 48 Gold Member

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    I have had 2 installed on Glocks. Both guns had to be replaced due to slide problems.

    The siderlock geometry is different than the glock trigger. Slide a could not be put back on the frame until the trigger was repositioned in the cocked position. In my opinion this forced the slide up at a muzzle down angle forcing the rear of the slide up when recoiling putting additional stresses on the rails and slide was out of alignment. This casued peening on the barrel chamber lugs of gun 1 and in the second resulted in gouging the front of the frame and caused and ultimately resulted in the web between the Barrel opening and the recoil spring opening to crack.

    This is my opinion for the failures becasue the trigger was the only not stock items in both glocks and they occured within 500 rounds after installation. The 1st Glock had a few thousand rounds thru it before installation but the second was brand new and only 500 rounds Thru it before it failed Both failures occured within 11 months of each other . To coincidental for me tobelieve it wa any thing else but the siderlock. IMHO. Take it for what it is worth.
     
  5. Bello

    Bello America/Italia

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    they have on on a g32 at my range i went to fire it when i rented it way back and i was like wtf.. then i looked around and seen this lil silver button on the trigger and laughed i was like do all g32's come this way.. he said no its a sliderlock i honestly didnt like it
     
  6. RobertSB701

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    I have one installed on my 21SF. There are some very good arguments for and against the Siderlock. It's also one more thing for anyone who shouldn't have your gun in their possession figure out how to circumvent. If an intruder finds your gun or even if you carry and get disarmed this adds potential life saving seconds if you find yourself on the wrong end of your own gun. Perhaps that sounds like quite a stetch of the imagination. I like it and run drills at the range using it every time I shoot. To each his own.
     
  7. andyo5

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    I have one on my G30. It is a handy device that can be used in several ways: as a hedge while you are carrying the gun concealed against the trigger accidentally being depressed, for example. Also could slow down or completely defeat a gun grabber from using your gun against you. The good thing is once it is on the gun, you are not forced to use it. The Siderlock trigger is comfortable to use. I like mine and see no negatives about it.
     
    Last edited: Mar 22, 2010
  8. Bren

    Bren NRA Life Member

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    OK, forget all the "safety between the ears" "doesn't need one" "piece of junk" replies. let's assume I think a Glock needs a safety. You instealled a safety that requires you to put your finger inside the trigger guard and push on the trigger to take the gun off safe.do you think that makes the gun more safe...or less safe. You may guess that I think a safety device that requires you to violate a fundamental rule of gun safety (keep your finger outside the trigger guard/off the trigger, until ready to fire) is a very, very bad idea.
     
    Last edited: Mar 22, 2010
  9. Bren

    Bren NRA Life Member

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    Well, let's see, something goes bump in the night and you have to draw your gun and, under stress, put your finger inside the trigger guard and mess with the trigger to get it off safe...if you think there are no negatives, I'd suggest some basic gun handling/safety training
     
  10. elde

    elde Lifetime Member

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    Have you people noticed that this new member, drummer12345, seems to be dragging up year or two year old threads to make the point that he hates Siderlock?

    drummer, suggest you initiate your own thread rather than clogging up the forum with useless information to promote your own agenda.
     
  11. gunsmoke92

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    Yea, we got it, all 3 or 4 times. Now go troll somewhere else.:crying:
     
  12. Ryobi

    Ryobi SummertimeRules

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    Ordering it in the first place was the mistake. That it broke (reportedly) just compounds the error. If the ill conception of this device isn't immediately and glaringly obvious at first glance, no amount of logic is likely to jump start the users common sense generator.
     
  13. dudester

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    Ok full circle now, I am returning the the gun back to stock. I haven't had any trouble with the Siderlock but I just don't use it and I would rather not have it on there if there is no benefit. Good product though if you have a use for it. It works as advertised.
     
  14. People are thinking way too much on this simple trigger/safety..

    It's a trigger.
    It has a nice shape and feel to it.
    It's black with a silver safety lever thing.
    It looks good on the gun.
    It's only $50 bucks compared to what other trigger options are out there when all you want to do is replace the trigger with something a little more cooler looking.

    Also, if you can't push a little button on the "side" sideways without fully depressing the trigger backwards and making it fire, you probably shouldn't even be around guns..

    And if you want to, you can push the safety button for those moments you want to activate a second safety. If you don't want the safety on, you never have to use it.

    I think it's pretty much that simple.
    Just because you have a safety on the gun, doesn't mean you have to use it or use it every time.
    But, it does look alot nicer then the stock trigger and I think it will look pretty good with the titanium pins I plan on adding to my frame.

    As long as the product works like it is suppose to without malfunctioning, then I see no problems at all with this trigger/safety.
    If it's not what you want, don't buy it. There is many accessories for these guns and not everyone is going to want all of them.

    I almost never use the air conditioning in my car, but I do like having the option to use it for that one of two times I might want to use it.
     
    Last edited: Jun 14, 2012
  15. 7.62FMJ

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    The pins walk out while firing.

    It's a poor design on how it is "staked" to the transfer bar. I've owned for a while now and it was replaced by the factory once before for the same reason. After only maybe a few mags full, the small pins start to walk out which protrude far enough such that you can't even pull the trigger, then you have to push them back in with the back end of a punch. Now I've tried to glue mine in, locktight them in, but nothing works. I've contacted the company many times about the issue but they are foreign and I don't think English is their primary language because overall- they just ignore the findings. Until they upgrade the product with a "U shaped" staking pin that won't walk out then I would avoid this product for serious carry. I've owned four such units now on two different guns, only because the factory replaced them- each time, nothing changed. The pins themselves are polished and free floated in a plastic trigger without any means of capturing them.


    7.62FMJ
     
  16. SouthpawG26

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    The bath salt zombie of GT threads. This one truly refuses to die....
     
  17. Why would this thread die when this is a active product on the market that is still available for purchase on new model Glocks?
     
    Last edited: Jul 1, 2012
  18. DaBurna

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    If you like it... I love it... No extra safeties for me... My brain, good holster, & Glock's trigger safety system are the PERFECT TRIFECTA for me!!:wavey:
     
  19. I have never owned a handgun with a safety and have carried a weapon since 1975. All were revolvers with some mighty long and heavy double action triggers. Pretty near impossible to AD. My only semi auto was a Sigma. The trigger was pretty much the same as a J frame. Totally safe. Now the Glocks, G30 for me and wife carry's a G26 have much lighter and shorter triggers. I originally was going to put 8.5 lb. springs on them but have really gotten to like the stock trigger. Sliderlock sounds like a simple, safe way to add a manual safety. Wife is spooky about one in the chamber and a Sliderlock would ease her anxiety. I don't think I would have an objection to having one. The split second to disengage the safety is sure faster than racking the slide. I'm considering it. Flaming me won't change my mind for those who enjoy that sort of thing. Good report sir and I hope they are all you expect them to be!
     
    Last edited: Aug 20, 2012
  20. I have carried without a holster off duty for over 30 yrs, using a revolver (S&W Chief) or a DA/SA weapon (Sig) without any problems. If someone is worried about an AD carrying without a holster, then why not just install an 8lb or 10lb NY1 trigger and be done with it. That would bring the specs of the Glock more into line with a DA trigger and make the chance of an AD much less likley.