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Small Arms Firing School. After action report.

Discussion in 'Tactics and Training' started by Skid_on_Roadkill, Aug 3, 2010.

  1. Hi all
    I attended the “<?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:eek:ffice:smarttags" /><st1:place><st1:placeName>Small</st1:placeName> <st1:placeName>Arms</st1:placeName> <st1:placeName>Firing</st1:placeName> <st1:placeType>School</st1:placeType></st1:place>” (<st1:stockticker>SAFS</st1:stockticker>) at <st1:place><st1:placeType>Camp</st1:placeType> <st1:placeName>Perry</st1:placeName></st1:place> on July 31-<st1:date Year="2010" Day="1" Month="8">Aug 1, 2010</st1:date>. This is my after action report. ( )<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:eek:ffice:eek:ffice" /><o:p></o:p>
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    A little about my background: I’m 48 years old. I served in the US Army Infantry. The Army “familiarized” me with the M16A1 in Basic. My first unit was invited to <st1:place>Parris Island</st1:place> to shoot, where the US Marine Corps actually taught me how to shoot the rifle. I will be eternally grateful for there excellent instruction.
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    I have attended “Appleseed Shoots” the last 2 years, and scored “Rifleman” both times. I’m no champion, but I know how to shoot a rifle. ( )<o:p></o:p>
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    The 2 day course started Saturday morning with an orientation at the base theater by the Army Marksmanship Unit (AMU). They covered safety, and operation of the M16A2 Rifle. Out of about 600 shooters, only a handful had not fired a M16/AR15 type Rifle. The AMU then gave brief, but excellent power point class of marksmanship techniques. The instructor closed with the comment: “You all now know more about marksmanship than 95% of the US Army”. I agree with this statement. Then we were off to the range.
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    The <st1:stockticker>SAFS</st1:stockticker> provides the rifle and the ammo. We were broken down into 5 relays of shooters per Rifle. The first day is practice; Sunday would be the Match and scored.
    We fired at 200 yards. The course of fire was: Prone: 10 shots in 10 minutes. Because of the amount of shooters, we had to sight in this day during our 10 shot prone.
    Standing: 10 shots in 10 min. (single load), Standing to sitting: 10 shots in 60 seconds, Standing to Prone: 10 shots in 60 seconds, Last 2 include a magazine change.
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    Saturday I was disappointed with my shooting. OK, I shot like crap! I was practicing all the fundamentals, but had some misses. Like I wrote above, I’m no champion, but it’s almost IMPOSSIBLE to miss at 200 yards with a good sight in!
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    After my time in the rifle pits, my friend told me that the M16A2 that I had been using had a loose barrel! An Armorer came up to the line after the AMU coach noticed every shooter having erratic scores. He said that barrel was loose, and that this rifle is “unserviceable” and replaced it.
    Our AMU coach also noticed that some of our Hornady 75gr BTHP ammo (<st1:place>Lot</st1:place>#3100236) was EXPLODING, or coming apart before hitting the targets due to thin jackets or excessive speed! He commented Sunday: “You’ve seen more ammo come apart in two days than you will the rest of your life…unless you build a rifle specifically TO blow up ammo.”
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    Sunday everyone shot much better,( especially “Bailey”, the 15 year old young lady from Texas before me who shot a 360 out of 400 possible), but there were still “alibi’s” because of some of this defective ammo was still being used. We finished 3 hours and 45 minutes later than scheduled.
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    PRO’S: I recommend doing this! This was a great experience, as far as my introduction to High Power shooting. The AMU coaches are professional and friendly to all shooters. I learned a lot. I paid $40 for this course, and used this Army’s rifle and ammo! You even get to keep your brass (I walked away with 225 pieces! Others did not want there’s.) They even throw in a t-shirt. Very under priced for what I received.
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    CON’S: The rifles are combat weapons of unknown age and condition. Quality is just that: unknown. You don’t have time to get a proper Zero. I always thought that Hornady was quality ammo. This lot# was junk, and slightly “soured” an otherwise awesome experience.
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    The <st1:stockticker>SAFS</st1:stockticker> is not for new shooters. Attend an “Appleseed” shoot for the building blocks of rifle marksmanship before you attend <st1:stockticker>SAFS</st1:stockticker>.
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    Please tell other shooters about this great program.
  2. smokin762


    Apr 19, 2009
    It was my first time going to one of Camp Perry’s Small Arms School as well. I felt that I learned a lot from the coaches. They were very patient with us first timers and offered some great advice.

    As I told my coach, I do not have any intension to compete in any of the matches at Camp Perry in the future but I am more than eager to take all the advice they were willing to offer so I can use that knowledge at the rifle club that I am a member of.

    It made me feel good now that I know I am capable of hitting the 10 ring of the target at 200 yards maybe not every time but that will come with practice. I am sure. BTW, I think I was hitting the 7 and 8 ring most of the time. I was told by my coach I am a little too fast on the trigger.:embarassed:

    My club only has a 100 yard rifle range and before this, I have never really had the opportunity to shoot at 200 yards but I usually do practice with 200 and 300 yard reduced sized targets. I think this might have helped me some.

    My friend and I experienced the same problems with the Hornady ammunition as you did. It was weird seeing the trail of the bullet going down range.

    The one thing that bothered me was I thought the Small Arms School was for people that wanted to learn how to shoot the M16/AR15 rifle. I am not new to the AR15 rifle but I thought I would learn how to shoot it more accurately with other people in my same situation.

    Instead, it rather turned out to be an opportunity for the competitive shooter’s to pickup some CMP points. I feel this was an unfair advantage to those of us that would have liked to see how we compared to other shooters in our class of not being a competitive shooter.

    I also would like to thank the Army Marksmanship Unit for all of their patience and professionalism they offered. They are a great group of men and women. :wavey:

  3. skifast


    Jun 16, 2009
    I attended the school with my son. I thought it was a great experience.

    I agree with smokin about the competitive shooters. Heck I had never even seen shooting jackets and gloves before.

    My thanks to the National Guard shooting coach that worked with us and the rest of our military.
    Last edited: Aug 9, 2010