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Skinny guy - help me perfect my draw

Discussion in 'Carry Issues' started by strakele, Jan 31, 2012.

  1. strakele

    strakele

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    Hey guys, I just recently got my CHL, a Glock 19, and a Galco KingTuk holster. I love the Glock, and the holster is nice and comfortable.

    Here's my issue. I've been practicing my draw a lot, and upward pressure on the gun in the holster will pull my pants up a couple of inches before actually coming out of the darn holster. It feels (and looks, I'm sure) awkward and goofy. It isn't too much of an issue if I really rip the gun out of the holster as fast as I possibly can, but it's impossible to draw at anything less than 110% speed without this happening. I want to be able to practice at 50-75% speed for a while to really get the motion into muscle memory before getting faster, and I just can't do it.

    I loosened the Kydex a bit with some heat, to the point where if I'm holding the holster in my hands and turn it upside down, the gun will fall out. Of course there's still plenty of retention when it's inside my waistband, but no matter how loose it is, the path of least resistance as I draw is still to pull my pants up before the gun actually comes out of the holster. It draws perfectly if I lightly hold some of the fabric of my pants down with my weak hand so that it can't come up.

    What should I do? I'm a bit over 5'9" and 130 lbs. This happens no matter how tight or loose my belt is. Problem is, my torso simply isn't any wider than my waist until my ribcage starts.

    I just thought of adding some rubber or roughing up the smooth leather that sits against my body so that it grips better and doesn't slide up as easily. Good idea? Other suggestions?

    Thanks for any help!

    UPDATE: I still have the issue after getting a gun belt. Seems it's just because the holster is tightly curved around my 28" waist. Considering others that aren't quite as wide...

    See posts on second page.
     
    Last edited: Feb 21, 2012
  2. xmanhockey7

    xmanhockey7

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    I think I do this a little bit but I've never really seen it as a problem. I'm assuming others go through this too. Do you have a good sturdy gun belt? That might help a little bit. Or if you can switch to an OWB holster.
     


  3. tim12232

    tim12232 Pistolero

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    you may be pulling the gun at a slight angle? I have the King Tuk for my p229 and and im 5'7" and 140. I wouldnt really recommend loosening it as much as I would really just work on the draw over and over again, watch in a mirror if you can. Where are you wearing the holster 3 oclock? 4? 5? I do best with that holster at 4 and 5. I will also say the SIG is also a trickier gun than the glock due to its sides not being as smooth and flush as the Glocks. Good Luck!
     
  4. strakele

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    I figure several other people run into this issue, but probably to a lesser extent. My pants will get pulled up a good 3-4 inches - literally until the waist of the pants is at the bottom of my ribcage, and by that time, I'm about out of upward range of motion of my drawing arm, making it even harder.

    I do admit that as of now, I'm using a standard BDU belt that I had laying around. I understand the support benefits of a gun belt and plan to get one soon, but I don't see how it would help this particular situation.

    I think an OWB holster would be much harder to conceal for someone my size. I live in the south... it's not even February yet and it's gonna be almost 70 degrees tomorrow, so I need something I can conceal without much clothing.

    Slight angle in which direction? Forward? To the right?

    I'm wearing the holster with the gun at around 4 o'clock, behind my hip. I have practiced in the mirror. But no matter what, unless I physically hold my pants down with my non-drawing hand, they'll just slide up as I put upward pressure on the gun until they finally stop, at which point my arm has almost reached the limit of its range of motion.
     
    Last edited: Jan 31, 2012
  5. ncglock19

    ncglock19

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    Is the holster adjustable? If you have less tension, the gun will come out easier. Perhaps someone knows of a good G19 holster for CC.

    nc19
     
  6. Taphius

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    Your going to have to loosen the retention a then.

    You could try twisting the grip inward toward your back as you draw, that should break the tension at the trigger guard a bit
     
  7. strakele

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    There is no built in retention adjustment. I did read about how people made theirs easier by heating the Kydex until it was soft enough to reform. I did this over the weekend, and it made a great difference. It's much easier, but I still run into the problem fairly often. I'll fiddle with it more and try to figure out exactly where it's catching, and try to reform that bit.

    I'd rather just be able to keep my pants at the proper height than making the holster so loose that the gun just wants to fall out though..
     
    Last edited: Feb 1, 2012
  8. DaneA

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    The stiffness of the belt will fix this problem. For now cinch your BDU belt as tight as you can and I'll bet it will help reduce your problem.
     
  9. strakele

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    I do plan to get one, but would you mind explaining how exactly it'll help this particular issue? I've read gun belts are thick and stiff to help make sure the clips don't slip off and to be able to support the extra weight of a pistol without sagging long term.

    I just don't see how a thicker, stiffer belt will somehow keep my pants from coming up. I feel like I could have a belt made from 1/8" solid metal and it'd still happen.
     
  10. slickt0mmy

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    A tight gun belt with a good holster should do the trick. The belt won't flex, which means the holster will stay where it is and the gun will come out. I've been using a Wilderness Instructor belt with a G19 in an MTAC holster and have had no problems at all.
     
  11. dosei

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    Belts that do not sag...do not sag...up or down. They do not allow the holster to shift...period. The benifit & importance of a good stiff belt really cannot be overstated. Get an Aker B21 or a Wilderness CSM, the difference is night and day.
     
  12. Pierre!

    Pierre! NRA Life Member

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    Personally, I am not sure I understand the issue...

    You are practicing the deployment of your last ditch personal security system...

    As long as you are able to move, you are accomplishing the goal, yes?

    I don't know that this is an issue - When you are in full adrenaline dump, you won't care!

    Try joining an IDPA or USPSA club, and you will get some things figured out pretty quickly...

    For ME, and Just For Me, I don't care what I look like while I am defending my loved ones or myself... as long as I *WIN* all is good...

    Know what I mean?

    Keep practicing. Slow and *perfect* - remembering that practice will only make it permanent, and only *PERFECT* practice will result in perfection. You are training/building muscle memory, not speed... :cool:

    *Joke Mode On*
    Perhaps that's why the GangStas sagg their pants? Could that be the reason? :rofl:
    /*Joke Mode Off*

    Hope that helps you out...
    Patrick
     
  13. dosei

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    One small thing you can do that may help a little...until you get a proper belt...
    Carefully wipe some Armor All onto the interior of the kydex part of the holster.
     
    Last edited: Feb 1, 2012
  14. strakele

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    Alright, I'll check out gun belts sooner rather than later.




    Can I get the gun out of the holster quickly if I want to? Yeah. It is as fast and smooth and consistent as I know it can be? No, and that's where my issue is. No, I couldn't care less what it looks like to anyone else, but I want it to feel right.

    I will certainly keep practicing. I'd love to do it "slow and perfect," but the problem is, if I attempt to draw the gun at anything less than full speed, my pants move, not the gun, lol. Maybe I should make a video of this to show it better.
     
  15. H&K 4 LIFE

    H&K 4 LIFE Leonum A Ignis

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    I'm just as skinny as you and have this same issue with leather OWB holsters.

    I do not have this issue with my daily carry M-tac. Like you, I have set the retention on the holster low and let the tension of the belt do most of the work.

    As dosei suggested, the solution is to get a better belt, and more specifically, a purpose built gun belt. This will most likely eliminate the problem you are having, in addition to improving the comfort of the way your gun carries tenfold.
     
  16. Gunnut 45/454

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    You need a stiff leather belt! And you might have to change to a different holster. I'm a leather guy- use a Tucker IWB and the pistol comes out smooth as silk.:whistling:
     
  17. dosei

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    Having used both leather holsters and kydex holsters, I can tell you that there isn't a leather holster made that can match the best kydex holsters. After using the best kydex rigs around, the best leather rigs suddenly seem like they are clinging onto the gun like velcro...

    It is so very difficult for me to settle for anything other than a KyTac Braveheart IWB...it's a shame they are so very difficult to get.
     
  18. ctrl

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    I'm also your same size, and depending on clothing I to have this problem.

    I have a galco gun belt and it does help. I believe a gun belt makes a world of difference holding the gun nice and snug due to less movement from lack of flexing like a normal belt. I have to wear the belt a little tighter while carrying (owb) then I normally would like. It can still become an issue depending on type of clothing im wearing too.
     
  19. Bill Lumberg

    Bill Lumberg BTF Inventor

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    To the user, while it usually feels as though they are drawing straight up, frequently folks are actually drawing at closer to 45 degrees away from the body. Draw straight up to your armpit. If you're drawing properly, the base joint of your thumb stays in contact with your body all the way up your ribcage.
     
  20. I never thought about that, but I rake along my rip-cage when I draw. I'd say keep working with it. After you wear it for a while and work with it, it will wear in. The leather is still fresh, and probably doesn't have wear tracks for your gun yet. Not only is the kydex holding your gun, but your hip pushes the gun into the mold. You may consider losening the tension more, but remember most of it is done, inside the trigger guard.