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SHTF- AK or AR??

Discussion in 'The Kalashnikov Klub' started by Teej, Feb 4, 2010.

  1. Teej

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    I am guessing that many of you have both an AK and AR or are familiar personally with them both weapons.

    With what you know from your OWN personal knowledge, in a SHTF situation what would you prefer to grab an AK or AR? Would you explain your reasoning please.
     
  2. Glocker08

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    either/or, both.

    The AR is generally considered more accurate,(although my Saiga AK is pretty darn accurate) while the AK is considered to be the more reliable rifle because it has looser tolerances.The AK also generally has higher capacity mags,so that means fewer mag changes.

    I have both and like both, but I have more experience with the AK,although limited. If I could choose only one, it would be the AK,simply because I'm more accustomed to that platform.
     

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  3. 1985 4Runner

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  4. my762buzz

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    An AK.


    I had my shtf moment with a wild boar.
    One day I was shooting at a range near a marsh system in florida and a large wild boar pops out of the bush and charges at me. By the time I saw it coming, it was too close and I started running. It was a few feet behind me and I headed for the nearby pond figuring it would not want to follow me into the water. I dashed into the water clutching my AR and with my glock 17 in its holster. The second I stepped into the water my foot sank into some slimy muck I slipped and I fell forward. Me and my AR slammed into the nasty muck soil just passing a few inches of pond water. The boar did not chase any further but basically would not let me leave the water. What else was I to do? I lifted my AR covered in muck tried to rack a fresh fmj into the chamber and behold the carrier stopped before it made it into battery. I then tried to flush the rifle with the pond water but to no avail. My only chance of getting the hell out of the pond was now my 9mm glock. I grabbed my glock which did have some pond muck along the outside aimed at the boar's neck and fired 5 times. I hit something vital enough that it stumbled away slowly and later died. I have been a huge believer in Glock guns ever since. I sold all my ARs and started to research other rifles extensively. I bought my first AK not long after that. I went back to that pond and dropped my AK into that nasty muck. I picked it up allowed the barrel to drain and proceded to fire off the whole magazine. I been a fan ever since.
     
  5. CarlosC

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    The easy answer is the AK, but I guess it would really depend. If I am just holding out in my home, then definitely the AK and I'd probably have my Hungarian Fire Dragon (AMD-65) with me 24-7. It is extremely small and you don't necessarily have to hit the person you're shooting at because the muzzle blast alone will blind and momentarily incapacitate them. If I need commonality with the police, then it would have to be an AR. Some cops may not perceive you as the good guy either if they see you toting around an AK. Perception. If dirt is a problem or a lack of cleaning supplies, then the AK is the winner.

    If I'd just want pure firepower, then it would have to be my G-3. It combines the accuracy of my AR with a .30 punch way stronger than the AK's .30 round.
     
  6. Nicoroshi

    Nicoroshi Avid Shooter

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    AK without question, and my G21 SF.
    Reasons? (BTW these reasons also apply to the G21 SF)
    Always goes 'BANG'.
    Built like a tank.
    Simple construction so easy to repair/ maintain
    Accurate enough for it's purpose (won't be plucking eyes out but will do 'minute of man' no problem).
    Harder hitting round (ever see what a 7.62x39 hollow point does to an orange at 50 yards? Let's just say the air has a nice orange scent to it when it hits).
    Lightweight. My lightest AR weighs in at over 9 lbs. My lightest AK at 7.5lbs.
    Clear winner IMHO is the AK.
     
  7. Glocker08

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    :wow: A nearly identical situation happened to me. I wiped out one day going down an embankment in the woods after it had just rained. I ended dropping my AR in some thick swamp mud at the bottom of a ravine.There was no round in the chamber, which is usually the case if I'm just going in the woods. After spouting off several expletives and checking the barrel for obstructions, I cleaned it off as best I could. I then went to do a function test. 1st round, jammed up. Cleared it. 2nd round,bang. The following 3rd,4th, and 5th rounds all jammed up.

    At a later date, I also took my Yugo AK, which I no longer have (traded it for a shotgun that I needed at the time ,like an idiot :upeyes:) and purposely dropped it in the same swamp mud. It went through a 30 rd. mag without missing a beat. :cool:

    I will say after I gave my AR a good cleaning, it ran like a top. It's a great shooter, very accurate. I've thought about selling it just to eliminate the need to buy ammo for yet another caliber.

    My first carbine was an AK, and so I'm more familiar with that platform and I prefer it, but I like AR's too.
     
  8. my762buzz

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    I will make sure to have her hold it while the popo is nearby.
    They won't even see the gun. Babe-o-flage

    [​IMG]
     
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  9. 9mm +p+

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    Good stories guys, I'm AK all the way but for a different reason although the bulletproof reliability is a huge factor as well. I'm not a 556 fan at all, I've seen it fail on critters as small as groundhogs. 15-20Lbs, now would I trust that same load on a POed 220lb guy hell bent on killing me?? Nope, the 7.62x39 IMO is the best combat round going, sure it has range issues and the cheaper ammo lacks accuracy but like someone already mentioned it'll turn cover into concealment, it's inexpensive enough for me to stock up and it does it's job well on 2 legged as well as 4 legged threats. My primary go to rifle is an Arsenal SLR-107F that I just finished up. It now has an UltiMak gas tube rail, Aimpoint T-1 and a VLTOR offset scout mount with a SF G2 LED, it's a sweet great shooting portable pkg and would be my first choice for a post shtf rifle.
     
  10. RMTactical

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    Both are capable. I prefer the AR15, but I would feel good that I would be able to get the job done with an AK too.
     
  11. CarlosC

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    :wow: Smokin!

    I bet you could have a kilo of crack in one hand and an AK in the other and the popo wouldn't even notice you if she were around.
     
  12. JBJ16

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  13. Teej

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    Have him do it again with muddy swamp water, submerge the AR in the mud, then pull it out and fire. If he does and can do that, then I will be impressed.
     
  14. JBJ16

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    YOUR BLINDSIDE
    Without draining the AR receiver sufficiently, upon firing, the AR receiver will detonate:wow: courtesy of the DI system, and the presence of water.

    However, it was :wow: a surprise that the AK failed in that vid while the "unreliable" AR kept on firing.:whistling:
    Just shows that a given a unique circumstance one system will fail, while another will remain impervious no mater past history/reputation of that particular system and vice-versa.
     
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  15. CarlosC

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    Not so much of a surprise because the guy who was testing the AR ensured he released the bolt before "burying" it.
     
  16. JBJ16

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    Both rifles bolts are released and round chambered ready to fire, open dust cover on AR and safety of on AK:crying:
     
  17. CarlosC

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    It's not the same thing though because they are designed differently. Opening the dust cover on the AR exposes nothing but the side the bolt. The bolt still forms a pretty good seal against the receiver. The AK's safety also acts as its side dust cover, so by flicking off the safety, you expose a large opening to the inner workings.
     
  18. 98_1LE

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    That youtube was interesting.

    I have owned both rifles, and still own a couple AK's.
     
  19. CarlosC

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