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Shouldnt anti-gunners be called traitors?

Discussion in 'The Okie Corral' started by umadcuzimstylin, Feb 4, 2013.

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  1. certifiedfunds

    certifiedfunds Tewwowist

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    How closely did the founders intend?

    If it was a mere suggestion....a guideline or living breathing document, why all the handwringing debate over every phrase?
     
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    As it is written.

    Progressives Twist it. For example they twist the 2nd Amendment to mean for an organized civilian militia, not intended for individual citizens to own arms.
    The list goes on.
     

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    And on............................................... .'08.
     
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    I misread your post above
     
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    yes, I believe they ruled against Miller, because a short barreled shotgun was not used in the military at the time.
     
  7. The Maggy

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    Traitors because they pass laws that walk a thin judiciary line? no. How exactly do issues of the second amendment pertain to acts of treason?

    The most direct approach would be simply to repeal the second amendment. Doing so is perfectly legal, think about it.

    Keep in mind that it is not necessarily the Congress' job to pass laws that are constitutional. It is simply their job to pass laws.
     
  8. mc1911

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    They have freedom of speech and the right to disagree.
    I do distinguish between loyalty to the country and the government.

    Our government was founded by the constitution but our country was founded by the Declaration of Independence.

    In my mind the Declaration gives us the right and duty to replace an oppressive government. This gives it precedence even over the Constitution. It is a very radical document and really makes the United States the most revolutionary country on earth.

    The second amendment simply states that the people ( not the government or one of its entities) has the right to keep and bear arms. This backs up the Declaration .

    I do not think talk makes them traitors it takes some serious actions.

    The left conveniently forgets that these same rights would also be used to keep an oppressive far right government in check.
     
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    I'm with ya right up to the "oppressive far right government" part. No such thing. Far right is maximum liberty, oppression is leftist.

    What is remarkable is that what is considered "conservative" today was liberal at the ratification.

    The people are born with natural rights. The People created the government and so long as those natural rights are protected, they can end the government.

    Folks who think otherwise seem to believe that the government came first and that rights are derived from the government, or that rights and laws hold equal status.

    The people of North Korea have the same natural rights but the government has a monopoly on force and punishes them for exercising those rights. The rights still exist. The government is criminal and immoral.
     
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    You are out of your mind if you truly believe this, or you have no concept of the political spectrum.

    Socialism is the far left end of the political spectrum
    Fascism is the far right of the political spectrum

    Fascism is defined by adherence to strong social CONSERVATISM.

    This does not exist in the United States, but to say there's "No such thing" is just flat-out false. History has plenty of examples of oppressive far-right governments.
     
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    No. Communism is far left. Fascism is leftist....socialism with a strong nationalist bent. Authoritarian Nationalism. Communists and Fascists are kissing cousins. The far right is not authoritarian. Authoritarian governments are leftist.

    All evil murderous regimes in modern history are leftist. I'm sorry if that stings a bit but when your ideology flourishes, millions of people are killed.
     
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    Far right today in the US is Libertarianism. Constitutionalism. Neither of those remotely resemble autocracy.
     
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    For god's sake please take a course in political science!!!!!

    Warcry is correct.

    You believe that fascists where leftist because the Nazi party had the word "socialist" in its name.

    By the same reasoning, Republicans are also leftists.

    During the Spanish Civil War of 1936, the Republicans were the communists.

    Please learn about political science. You don't have the foggiest idea.
     
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    Blah blah blah blah blah

    It is funny watching the leftists get defensive.
     
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    It's even more amusing to see your responses when you have no defense for ignorance of a subject.

    You keep telling people to go do some research. Well, guess what?

    Good for the goose, good for the gander. Go read something about world politics and try to grasp a LITTLE bit of knowledge, because in this area, you're sorely lacking.

    I know words can sometimes cause trouble, so I'll just make it as simple as possible:

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    That chart is a joke but I do see you over there on the left side
     
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    Why is the Libertarian party absent on that chart.There is a ocean of differences between a liberal and a Libertarian.'08. :dunno:
     
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    Good question. Where do you two political "scientists" place Libertarianism?

    BTW, "political science" always makes me laugh. Science? Yeah, sure.

    Kirg - I'd place Libertarians over on the far right side, just to the left of where the "other" anarchy goes.
     
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    Its really great the way your little chart places maximum government (Communism) right next to no government (Anarchy).

    In just one notch you go from fencing people in and seizing property to no government. Brilliant! Science!

    :rofl:
     
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    It is a science,they crunch numbers and try ta predict an outcome.Sorta like math analysis.'08.
     
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