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Shouldnt anti-gunners be called traitors?

Discussion in 'The Okie Corral' started by umadcuzimstylin, Feb 4, 2013.

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  1. umadcuzimstylin

    umadcuzimstylin

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    I can understand accidentally going against the Constitution but intentionally going against the Constitution makes you a traitor.
     
  2. SIG-SOG

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    And a POS.
     

  3. Bren

    Bren NRA Life Member

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    I agree, but so far the Supreme Court has only found that the constitution gives you a right to own some kind of gun - not specifically anything they are trying to ban right now. Everything else is just our opinion.

    Not to mention, we all oppose somebody's constitutional rights on some issue, whether it's the Westboro Baptists Church, the KKK, the Brady Campaign, Occupy ______, or the democrat party.
     
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    Blast 'nuff said

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    Liberals misinterpret the Constitution to fit their agendas.
     
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    Be honest, conservatives do too.
     
  6. umadcuzimstylin

    umadcuzimstylin

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    Sophists gonna sophist.
     
  7. umadcuzimstylin

    umadcuzimstylin

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    Thats insane! It doesnt say in the 2nd amendment that you have the right to bear arms at the governments discretion.
     
  8. Wolfdad

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    The philosophy of conservatism emphasizes liberty. The philosophy of liberalisim emphasizes control.
     
  9. IhRedrider

    IhRedrider Not a walker

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    Well, to stand against the Constitution only makes your action illegal thus you are a criminal. To be found a traitor, the US would have to be at war. Oh wait, we do have the war on terrorism, the war on poverty, the war on drugs........ I wonder how much a good set of gallows cost.
     
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    certifiedfunds Tewwowist

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    Correct. My political philosophy imposes nothing on them. Their political philosophy imposes on me.
     
  11. HerrGlock

    HerrGlock Scouts Out CLM

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    I don't know about traitors.

    I prefer the descriptor "urinalysis taste testers", personally.
     
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    Specifically every politician, military person, police officer, judge, etc who swears an oath to protect and defend the constitution of the USA is a liar and traitor IF and when they decide the 2nd Amendment is only a convenience that can be bypassed.

    Specifically, I wish folks like Holder, Obama, Cuomo, Schumer, et al could be charged and tried for crimes against the state, because really, their actions border on criminal.

    Simply replace "2nd amendment" with "1st amendment" to see the point.

    - G
     
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    It also doesn't say which arms you have a right to bear or how many or how big the magazine can be or when and where you can bear them. That is all left to court interpretation. Every right in the bill of rights is subject to government discretion - each one has a library full of law defining what the government can and cannot do, except for the 2nd Amendment, which doesn't have enough law to fill a smll notebook.
     
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    kensb2 pistol n00b

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    I thought that the 2A provides protection from the FED .gov regarding the RKBA, and basically left it up to the individual states to decide what weapons their citizens have. This makes the most sense to me, since the citizens are supposed to have weapons to defend their state from FED .gov tyranny. Why does the SCOTUS have to make this so complicated?
     
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    Yes, this administration belongs behind bars and I bet there's 4 Americans in their graves from Benghazi right now agreeing with me:crying:
     
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    No, the 2nd Amendment says you have a right, enforceable against the federal fgovernment only, to keep and bear arms. The supreme court said, recently, in McDonald, that the 14th Amendment means that the states are also not allowed to violate the 2nd Amendment. Nothing about the 2nd Amendment has ever said "this issue is reserved to the states."

    The 10th amendment says "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people," but under the current interpretation of either the commerce clause or the taxing power, the feds have authority to regulate guns, expresssly delegated by the constitution.
     
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    In United States v Miller in 1939, the Supreme Court ruled that the 2nd amendment only protected military style weapons commonly used in the military and militia at that time.
     
  18. umadcuzimstylin

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    Exactly! It is written vague to not have restrictions not for the government to decide how they restrict you. It says you have the right to bear arms which means open carry any gun you want. It plainly says right to bear arms yet the government thinks it say right to bear arms according to your interpretation lulz.
     
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    Bren- Please boil the Supreme Court's rulings on 2A down to the fundamental issue: Is it clear, in your judgement, that Congress can legislate bans against certain weapons and magazines?
     
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    SPIN2010 Searching ...

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    You just have to look to NYS to see how effective that theory is. Can anyone really believe the STATE.GOV & FED.GOV are not kissing cousins? Just look to Katrina after action ... that was patriotic by all the LEO/NG/ACTIVE MIL wasn't it? GET FOR REAL!
     
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