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Should we try to prevent homicidal maniacs from having guns?

Discussion in 'The Okie Corral' started by frank4570, Dec 26, 2012.

  1. Baba Louie

    Baba Louie

    Sep 6, 2001
    Excuse me, would you please co-sign on my unalieanable right? I need to get one or two more signatures from authorized respondants and have it notarized later and then apply to the local gendarmes to see if they have time to process my background check, consult with my doctor, look into my electronic medical history report, public school reports (the permanent record!!!), income tax returns for the last 12 years and of course pay them the fee... (call it mission creep)

    Sounds like a GREAT idea to me. :whistling:

    Will it prevent homicidal maniacs from having guns? :upeyes:

    In a word, No.

    He (homicidal maniac) will just steal one from you... or me... or his parents... who went thru hell to be allowed to buy it.

    Or maybe, after passing said checks and signatories, next week or next month or year, he'll become depressed, start drinking or popping pills, get fired from his job, lose girlfriend, his dog will bite him or die, become morose, decide to go out in a blaze of dark immortal glory... in a gun free zone.

    Let me repeat that last line... IN A GUN FREE ZONE

    Should we try to prevent these wack jobs from having guns? It does sound good at face value.

    Once we identify them, they should give up their liberty and freedom, right? But how to do that? Look at their middle school and high school records and see if they "didn't fit in" with the rest of the clicques of cool kids? Uh, oh. That "Permanent Record" we all heard about as teens. Or laughed about. (it does exist BTW) Did they sit on the bench in the Deans office daily? (all gun free zones)

    Or should I be judged as a potential homicidal maniac and have to prove my sanity and maybe post a $100,000 bond and buy some more insurance coverage to help pay for those who do run amok as part of the affordable health care act? (Now there's a thought!)

    There is no one Pat answer to fit all, tho' I expect Uncle Joe and Daddy Barry to come up with one. Here's hoping Uncle Harry won't let it hit the floor of the Senate and Cryin Johnny will do the same across the hallway, until the people have a chance to at least see what it is we'll probably have forced down our throats. I'm sure it will be common sensical... and not stop crime whatsoever.

    Kudos to your nephew for brainstorming the issue though. Seriously. Glad someone is besides our deep thinking VP Joe Biden. Tell him to keep coming up with alternative ideas, but try to keep liberty and freedom at the forefront, or at least somewhere in the equation?
  2. meleors

    meleors Cranky Member

    Nov 23, 2009
    So your nephew wishes to treat people as guilty until proven innocent. Another shining example of modern education.
    Did your nephew get "X" number of people to say he is not dangerous so he may exercise his 1st amendment right to free speech? What about voting? Or the church he wishes to attend or not any at all?
    Last edited: Dec 27, 2012

  3. NorthernAlpine

    NorthernAlpine RLTW

    Jun 7, 2010
    Red State
  4. This I agree with wholeheartedly, and I say this as a psychiatry resident who deals with real mental illness everyday. One of the major problems we have is that people who develop schizophrenia are most dangerous during the first several months after they become symptomatic, so early detection is key.... Think James Holmes and possibly Adam Lanza.
  5. Mrs.Cicero

    Mrs.Cicero Wayward Member

    Aug 13, 2004
    far from home
    Why is that? Is it just because that is before they are medicated, or is it something else? Don't they become problematic every time they choose to go off their meds? I'm just curious...
  6. racerford


    Apr 22, 2003
    DFW area
    There title went 3 words to long it should be:

    "Should we try to prevent homicidal maniacs?

    We should just prevent homicidal maniacs. We should pass a law against them. Being a homicidal maniac should be against the law. Yeah we should make murder against the law. That way no one will ever be killed.
  7. stevelyn

    stevelyn NRA Life Member

    You can only do so many things before it starts coming at the expense of the law-abiding.

    We need to bring back the loony bins and lock those up that need to be locked up instead of dosing them up with drugs and calling it a dy.
  8. Increased insight and a much higher level of functioning. Schizophrenia is a disease that causes severe social downward drifting as the disease progresses. Usually the increased risk is for suicide, but homicidal ideations do happen as well.
  9. Mrs.Cicero

    Mrs.Cicero Wayward Member

    Aug 13, 2004
    far from home

    Thanks, PAGunner. It sounds like schizophrenia is analogous to spreading gangrene.
  10. Longhammer


    Nov 2, 2008
    I always expected to have my gun rights to be trampled on by the Left. Now it's the "Fellons" (for lack of a better word) trying to change the laws. The Liberals are all just falling in behind like the sheep they are. How do we determine who is crazy? I think we should stop wiping away juvenile records when someone turns 18. That would be a good start. "Stupid is, what stupid does."
  11. RussP

    RussP Super Moderator Moderator

    Jan 23, 2003
    Central Virginia
    How old is your nephew?
  12. Require references? This would work for the really crazy ones.

    But in too many cases, unfortunately, the family is in total denial of any problems. And even friends/co-workers, etc... (after the facts) would say (truthfully) "wow, I never saw that coming."

    Not saying references is a bad idea... It's an interesting idea.
    Last edited: Dec 29, 2012
  13. jakebrake

    jakebrake cracker

    Jan 11, 2011
    too close to philly
    and nanny doomberg would be ineligable for ownership.