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Shocking Numbers That Show The Media Is Lying To You About Unemployment

Discussion in 'Political Issues' started by Ruble Noon, Feb 3, 2013.

  1. aircarver

    aircarver Ride Continues Silver Member


  2. MZBKA

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    The labor force is defined as the number of people working or looking for work.

    The unemployment rate is defined as the percentage of the labor force that is not working.

    If many unemployed people stop looking for work, even though they haven't found jobs,, the unemployment rate will drop. This may be counter-intuitive, but it is not the fault of the media -- it's just the definition of of unemployment rate.

    If people are too ignorant to know what the unemployment rate tells us, it does not point to a giant conspiracy.
     
  3. JBnTX

    JBnTX Bible Thumper

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    The US news media has an agenda that they follow for the purpose of guiding American citizens to a predetermined political conclusion.

    Lying is a major tenet of that agenda.
     
  4. jdavionic

    jdavionic NRA Member

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    And to think we used to laugh at the propaganda machine in the USSR.:whistling:
     
  5. Ruble Noon

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    When people run out of unemployment benefits they are no longer considered to be looking for work. I know several people that are looking for work that fall into this category.

    Aren't you getting tired of carrying Obama's water?
     
  6. I know a lot of people that are underemployed as well. These are people that were managers in everything from IT to the financial sector. They hit the magic age of 45 or so lost their job and no one wants to hire them. They now work in retail or at 7-11 type stores.
     
  7. jeanderson

    jeanderson Toga!... Toga! Platinum Member

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    Put simply: There are more takers than makers. And the government cannot sugarcoat this much longer.
     
  8. sweetsdream

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    I personally know tens of people that were laid-off the same time I was (thousands were but I'm only talking about people I know) that ran out of benefits and are desperately looking. They are not counted as unemployed, some are even counted as two or three jobs since that's the only way they can feed their families now. One of my best friends sprays fertilizer on lawns during the weekend, Busch Gardens cleaning trash cans whenever they give him hours and as a waiter at night. He is a college educated engineer with over 25 years of experience. He's too young to retire, makes too much now to collect welfare and is in that unspoken group in America that has been forgotten about.

    Another thing most people don't understand about the unemployment rate is that when they say 150,000 are added per month, that is the normal population growth that enters the workforce every month.

    Tom


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  9. ScubaSven

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    We have created a system in which the top 1% own approximately 40% of the nation's wealth and the bottom 80% own only 7%. Factor in children, disabled and elderly . . . of course there are going to be more tax revenue "takers" than "makers".
     
  10. MZBKA

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    You're wrong. The BLS conducts a telephone survey to determine the labor force and unemployment numbers. It doesn't look at who gets unemployment benefits.

    All I've done is stated facts. Do I have to be ignorant in order not to carry Obama's water?
     
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  11. wprebeck

    wprebeck Got quacks?

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    To be fair, infowars has about as much relation to reality as Pravda ever did.


    If you've got another source, preferably one that doesn't cite infowars as the original, I'd listen. Otherwise, it's like listening to Sarah Brady talk about guns.
     
  12. Ruble Noon

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    Why yes they do, they contact employers and they do a household survey which, is the one that they use to tabulate unemployment numbers. That said, people who have expended their unemployment benefits are no longer considered to be in the work force even if they are actively seeking employment.

    Here are some more facts for you. In the half century prior to obama the only time that we have had unemployment declines on the order of what the obungo admin. claims, we have had GDP growth between 7 and 10%, numbers that we haven't come close to during his term.
     
  13. HarlDane

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    There are various UE figures, their formulas and calculations are all public knowledge and published freely on the internet. If anyone is confused about what the different rates mean or how they are come by, it's only because they choose not to be informed.

    It's been that way through various administrations and in good times and bad.
     
  14. cowboy1964

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    The article cited BLS numbers. How much better a source do you want than that??
     
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  15. MZBKA

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    Again, this simply isn't true. The BLS doesn't consider whether one is collecting unemployment benefits when determining whether one is looking for work. You are welcome to check the BLS' website or do a Google search to inform yourself - but saying the same ignorant things over and over certainly does not make something true.

    Your attacking a straw man if you think I'm defending Obama's record on the economy. We both don't like Obama's policies - The difference between us is I understand how unemployment numbers are calculated. You do not and this lack of understanding has lead to your believing a conspiracy theory.
     
  16. Ruble Noon

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    Making 9 Million Jobless "Vanish": How The Government Manipulates Unemployment Statistics



    http://danielamerman.com/articles/2012/WorkC.html
     
  17. jeanderson

    jeanderson Toga!... Toga! Platinum Member

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    Well, let me put it another way... More money is paid out by the government than they take in. If you want to redistribute that money from the top 1%, tax revenues would be even less.
     
  18. IvanVic

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    You are either a blithering idiot, or just legitimately mentally handicapped. This has been explained to you I don't know how many times, and none of this has changed under this president, it's always worked that way.