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Sen. David Vitter introduces bill to expand right to carry concealed weapon

Discussion in 'Carry Issues' started by TBO, Mar 21, 2012.


  1. kensteele

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  2. NkySpike

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    Both links?

    " a 403 Forbidden error "
     
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  4. robhic

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    Don't be too sure. Vitter is a fairly straightforward guy (except for his past romps at the "cathouse" :supergrin:) and I'd expect he is doing what he says he means. He's been pretty effective in LA as far as being a decent legislator and I don't see reason that this would be any different.
     
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    Zimmerman pretty much just killed this bill.
     
  6. kensteele

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    No, this bill expands the rights of honest carrying citizens. ;)
     
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    In the end, this will turn out the same as the Tawana Brawley and Duke lacrosse team outrages.
     
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    Not the same. Nobody died in those cases. Big difference.
     
  10. harrygunner

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    I would like to keep the Feds out of the process, but today's concealed permit situation is a mess.

    I have four permits. I keep Florida and Utah in addition to my home permit in the spirit of "two is one, one is none". That helps as states change their positions.

    But New Mexico is an example of the problem. I used to be able to carry there with both Florida and Utah. NM has dropped both those states. If I hadn't picked up Arizona (to carry in Nevada), I would have to lost concealed carry in NM.

    The point is as Wyoming, New Mexico and other states switch around, placing people in legal danger, permit holders' intention, not to do harm, is unchanged. (NJ, NY, CA, IL seem to be incapable of understanding that.)

    Carry laws are uncoupled from the behavior of the vast majority of people who receive permits.
     
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    Ever been to New Mexico?
     
  12. harrygunner

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    Don't understand the relevance of the question. I've carried in twenty-seven of our fifty states, including New Mexico, several times. Even Virginia.

    But, what does that have to do with the legal quagmire this bill addresses?
     
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    Dang! I've only carried in a dozen or so states. I better pick up the pace.
     
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    Just curious.

    Is there a contest or club where you see how many states you can get licensed for?

    What does the winner get?
     
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    I don't consider it so much a contest as insurance to stay out of jail. For that reason I have an Alabama and Florida permits.
     
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    Keeping as many permits as needed to carry legal in the places you visit or have to work in makes good sense to me. I used to have a couple but now only need my MO permit. It's good in any of the states I decide to travel to or through. I don't travel for work anymore so I just flat don't go to states that don't honor my permit.
     
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    What I don't like about all these federal bills for national reciprocity is they require a 'government' documents; Some say specifically US Government, which could be just States. Once again they require the CCW process to remain a permit based privilege, instead of placing it under the 2A and allowing it to be the natural right.

    I don't care for any of these bills!

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  18. harrygunner

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    I also don't like the bills at the federal level. How can this problem be fixed?

    Another example, Back in 2007, Kansas honored non-resident Florida permits for twelve days. A pissing contest between outgoing and incoming attorneys general caused that ripple for the law abiding. (Later, Kansas laws relaxed.)

    If I called a state legislator in a state I don't live in, he/she may have little motivation to address my needs.

    Money from tourism could influence non-resident states if they were able to see that their laws turn off visitors. But, I suspect studies of the economic impact of gun control are rare.

    What evidence are people using to establish carry permit laws? Given their behavior, I'm certain most states have not studied the effect gun control has on public safety. Positions that no training, four hours or sixteen hours of training makes a material difference in the threat a CCW holder presents is unsubstantiated with hard data.

    The legislators in the state I changed residence from, California, have such poor analytical skills, they would just ignore any studies.

    If it didn't lead to incarceration, all this lazy legislative thinking would be simply funny or embarrassing.
     
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    Living in MO as well, I was disappointed that WI doesn't accept MO permit.

    To the point though, many states do not accept non-resident permits. KS and CO are a couple of them.
    A MO will get you to all the same states as Utah or Florida, permits except WI. So to be safe I carry NH, FL, UT, along with the MO (The NH is sort of a protection in the event I miss a MO renewal, I can still carry in MO with it.) The UT and FL are there to get me into MI (two in case MI decides to change their minds on one of them)
     
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