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Semi auto VS pump shot gun - which can you shoot faster?

Discussion in 'Tactical Shotguns' started by Z71bill, Mar 18, 2010.


  1. Z71bill

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    MAYBE A DUMB QUESTION! :embarassed:

    Is there any time difference between follow up shots for a semi auto VS pump shot gun?

    I am sure if you just blast away at the air a semi auto would be faster - but if you pump the gun between the first shot and taking aim for the second shot - no real time lost - or not much difference?

    When I was in high school I could shoot my pump faster than my dad could fire his semi auto - Duck hunting over decoys - he always said I shot too fast - but it was almost always 3 shots 3 dead ducks :supergrin: - and once in a while I would load an additional round and get off one more shoot.

    Anyone ever done any training or exercises comparing a semi auto and a pump?
     

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    The folks at a very high level of training can often match or beat some of the autos out there for speed, but they are few and far between. Most of us simply cannot operate a slide as fast as the auto can cycle. For example, with my Beretta 1201 I can get 5 shots of 00Buck off in one second. I'm sure I could do the same with my 870 trigger-wise, but I cannot pump the slide that fast.
     
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    Semi auto is best!
     
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    semi auto.....it will have less felt recoil do to the operating system to let you back on sight faster. most shooters, unless you practice a LOT, do not start to work the action until they have start to recover from the recoil......this is why the semi auto shootguns in most peoples hands will be faster.

    but with practice.............
     
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    Did anyone notice that the pump action video shows the shooter not even aiming down the sights? He hit all 6 from the hip with a pump shotgun....Dang that boy can shoot!
     
  8. shootingbuff

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    As you stated with a transition little if no time is lost. With and especially without a transition 2 things are important. First is recoil management. Second as DF stated when you start the pump stroke.

    Let's take recoil management first. Bottom line is if you cannot control the SG it doesn't matter which action. Secondly if you waste time - you are wasting time.

    With good recoil management a pump in a good shooters hands will beat a normal person with a SA.

    A person can gain or lose time in transitions as well. Additionally basic gun handling skills plays a big part if one does not know how to load, select load their SA or any firearm.

    A match or a real life oh poop situation more than not will NOT be just on the rpm rate of the SG. It is going to be more on the shooter as we keep coming back to. In other words if the shooter can the pump can or SA or double etc.

    If one wants to disagree take a look at the better cowboy shooters and then ask your self if you can keep up with hits on target.

    Now the question if a SA has advantages yes as it does shortcomings. I shoot both. Selecting which firearm is a personal choice based on many factors. As you well know fit is a big part of SGing. To many it is the feel and what they want in a firearm. So if you are happy with a pump use it and if you want to compete do so. If you feel you are disadvantaged shoot He-Man class(usually pump 12 bore and 8 rounds).

    Take care and best in the responses.

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    I fire an 870 with the Mesa tactical stock w/Endine buffer faster then my 11-87 police.
     
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    I can almost beat my buddy shooting 12 rounds out of my Saiga-12 with 7 rounds out of my Mossberg 835. We're talking about less than half a second. I also consider the Saiga one of the fastest shooting semi-autos. These are target loads so there's almost no felt recoil.
     
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    To paraphrase Mas Ayoob's police shotgun book: YOU may shoot a pump faster than I shoot a semi. But you will not be able to shoot a pump faster than YOU can shoot a semi.
     
  13. Z71bill

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    The obvious points then -

    More people use a pump over a semi auto for HD because of lower cost & higher reliability. :shocked:


    I bought my wife a semi auto 20 gauge - Escort from Academy $300 out the door - picture next to my 870 with 18.5 inch barrel for comparison.

    [​IMG]

    Purchased so my wife could shoot clays - but like all of the guns in my house - can be used in HD/SHTF situation.

    I will most likely grab the 870 - let the wife have the 20 gauge -

    But after shooting a few hundred rounds through the 20 gauge semi auto I really like it.

    Maybe a Mossberg 930 is in my future.
     
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    Ah that is what I meant ;-)
    I just go off yapping because most folks think a SG is easy to shoot well and a SA is the only SG to have. I do the same with those that think pump is the only way to go to though:supergrin:
     
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    I agree if the shooter has the manual of arms down equally and is equally proficient in the manual of arms.

    I have seen some good pump guys go to a semi and are lost for a while or even the other way around. Nothing to do with their shooting but it plays into the overall outcome of running the gun. There are some that just don't wont to learn the other action as well.
     
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    Target loads out of an S-12 ? I've heard/read that they don't like lighter loads,even on the #2 setting. I guess you can't believe everything you hear/read,especially on the interwebs. Does it digest them ok ?
     
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    If you break in the S-12 with the higher velocity rounds, it will feed the value pack ammo just fine.... at least it does for me.:cool:
     
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    SA, of course. But pumps are more reliable they have the awesome factor.
    Less expensive as well.
     
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    I never followed any break in and I'm pretty sure the first rounds used in it were target shells. My Saiga eats anything and everything on setting '1'. I must have just got the opposite of a "vodka special".
     
  20. Z71bill

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    The storm is over - your home is still standing - power has been out for 2 days -

    A small generator has provided you & your sexy smoking hot wife with a few simple pleasures - lights / cold drink / a small fan to keep you cool at night

    But the distinctive sound from the engine has attracted 3 thugs - its dark outside but the moon gives off enough light so you can see they are packing pistols -

    (I should write a novel) :upeyes:

    Anyway

    They start to kick & push the back door of your home -

    Do you want a pump or a semi auto?:tongueout:
     
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