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Sellier and Bellot 9 mm

Discussion in 'Caliber Corner' started by Outerlimits, Mar 28, 2009.

  1. Outerlimits

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    Was at the range yesterday with my G17, the table next to me a guy was shooting a 9mm also. When he was leaving, he had 4 rounds left of 9mm and gave them to me. I was shooting Remington and stuck them in the foam tray in the box. The first thing I noticed is they were longer than the Remington 9mm in the tray. So I asked him what kind of ammo was it. He showed me the empty box and it was Sellier and Bellot. It said on the box 124 grain, fmj. said he gets it cheap and it runs fine in his guns. We shot side by side for an hour and I never saw any feed issues or fail to fire. I put them in a magazine and made sure they chambered alright and fired them. Seemed ok, just noticed a little more recoil than the Remington. Has anyone else shot this ammo. Just wondering if its me, or is it a hotter round. Didnt say +p on the box that I noticed.
     
  2. Powder

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    Those chronoed faster in my G26 than the Winchester NATO 124gr. Never had any issues with them.
     


  3. Boris Bush

    Boris Bush chopnchixnnecks

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    +P is a buzz word. The S&B is loaded to C.I.P. spec. They have no so called +P spec and standard pressure 9x19mm ammo is loaded to 39,200 psi. The ammo you shot is more in line with the NATO pressure range which is hotter than vaginized so called "+P" 9mm ammo loaded in the USA. Try some european loaded Fiocchi, it is alot hotter too.

    The box won't say +P, but if it were loaded here in the USA it would not even be able to be labeled +P, it is too hot. Supposedly:dunno:.

    Keep shooting it, its better than the watered down crud we have available made here...........
     
  4. Jim

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    OTOH, I had some S&B 115 gr fmj from about 2001 that chronographed slightly slower than 115 WWB. Go figure...
     
  5. 98_1LE

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    I have a shot a lot of .45acp S&B and really like it. Used to get it for $10 a box...

    In the past 6-months I have shot 1k rounds of S&B 9mm, and have another thousand on the shelf. Wish I had a pallet of it.

    [​IMG]


    I am not familiar with C.I.P., but +P is a SAAMI thing.
     
  6. gunsnhoses

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  7. glocksterr

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    i think its the 124gr. loaded to NATO
     
  8. glock2740

    glock2740 Gun lover.

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    It's always shot good for me out of my guns.
     
  9. D-GLOCK17

    D-GLOCK17 GLOCKER

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    Man, that is some good shooting, despite the 'flyer'!
     
  10. fran m

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    Have some and shot it at an indoor range. It sparked when it hit the back stop which I believe is steel plate. The range officer said that it was copper jacketed steel core and did not want me to shoot any more of it because it would damage the backstop.

    Shot fine in my G19. Did not seem hot.

    Fran M
     
  11. glocksterr

    glocksterr DirtyGlockHippy

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    the stuff i shoot is 124gr. in white box that says "range safe" and is not steel core. it has the C.I.P. stamp and is hot. not as hot as my carry HST 124gr.+P but close. without a croney it may just be recoil perception but...
     
  12. Merkavaboy

    Merkavaboy Code-7A KUZ769

    Just a heads up; S&B does not have a steel core or it would fall under AP handgun ammo. Some of the ammo in 9mm, but not all, use a mild steel bullet jacket. Every sample 9mm load that I have that has a cupro-nickel (silver color) bullet jacket is magnetic, but none of the Range Safe loads have a steel jacket; only a steel case. The current S&B 9mm, when you can find it, should not have a mild steel bullet jacket. If they do, then it seems that S&B is doing so to cut costs by using less copper and more cheap steel.

    BTW, I found the Range Safe 9mm quite accurate and totally reliable out of 1K that I've shot up.
     
  13. tedg-23

    tedg-23 PROUD AMERICAN!

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    Bought a case of it a couple years ago and wish I`d bought the whole pallet now. Good stuff!
     
  14. I have never heard of this term. Is there somewhere I can read more about it?

    Also, how can you tell if ammo is loaded to "C.I.P. spec"?
     
  15. Boris Bush

    Boris Bush chopnchixnnecks

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    Read here. The CIP web site is in French and I cann't read that crap.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commis...nte_pour_l'Epreuve_des_Armes_à_Feu_Portatives

    You can tell if ammo is loaded to CIP spec by reading the box. It will say C.I.P. on it somewhere. European ammo will always be loaded within CIP specs and CIP is well known to load some calibers to a much higher pressure limit. They also have no +P . Instead they have one limit. CIP 9mm pressure is 39,200. If S&B or Fiocchi is loaded to near the limit for CIP it will be loaded hotter than SAAMI +P rated ammo for 9mm.
     
  16. 98_1LE

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    FWIW the S&B 115gr 9mm I have has no steel in the projectile that my magnet can detect. The same magnet picks up Wolf 7.62x39 every time by the tip.

    I don't mind shooting steel jacketed ammo through chrome lined bore AK's, but would not shoot it through a match pistol barrel on one of my range only pistols.
     
  17. fran m

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    The stuff I was shooting was brass cased. The jacket looked like copper. I don't know if the bullet itself is magnetic, I'll check. The primer has red covering it, (sealer?).

    It shot fine, never a problem. I suspect if the range officer was not on the ball he would not have noticed the sparking. I noticed it but thought nothing of it. I took his word that it was steel core. Is the bullet lead with some steel mixed in?

    Fran M
     
  18. Boris Bush

    Boris Bush chopnchixnnecks

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    The ammo you shot has a bi-metal jacket. Copper washed very soft steel. Regular S&B will have a brass jacket.