close

Privacy guaranteed - Your email is not shared with anyone.

Securing windows.

Discussion in 'Survival/Preparedness Forum' started by Warp, Aug 24, 2012.


  1. Warp

    Warp
    Expand Collapse
    ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2005
    16,220
    268
    Location:
    Atlanta
    I hate windows. They are thermally inefficient, they must be covered if you want privacy (at last in suburbia, here), and they are easily damaged.

    We've got a nice, big window right up front right off the driveway that looks like a giant OPEN beacon to me these days. I'd like to toughen it up without changing it's appearance.

    Window Film: How hard is it to install, properly, yourself if you have never really done it before? We put a frosted privacy window film over our very narrow front door sidelights after moving in, other than that...no film or tinting experience here, and no money to pay a professional to come out and do it.

    Any recommendations on brand or source for security window film (sometimes called hurricane film)? All I ask for is something that will stop a stray baseball or a maliciously heaved brick or molotov cocktail from getting inside.

    How about shutters? I know some of you guys in hurricane land have rigged up the hardware necessary to go out and cover your windows with plywood or whatever else, if the time comes...but I don't have a clue what's involved with that (haven't googled it yet, either). Any links or suggestions here?

    We mostly have siding, BTW...not brick. :(
     

    Wanna kill these ads? We can help!
    #1 Warp, Aug 24, 2012
    Last edited: Aug 24, 2012
  2. bdcochran

    bdcochran
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2005
    3,259
    302
    Location:
    Los Angeles
    1. http://solarhurricanefilm.com/
    2. google "hurricane film"

    3. Best option. I have seen this in Europe and in the United States. Requires an installer. Rolling security shutters. Not unattractive.
    In US - very wealthy woman who lives alone who has the rolling shutters that she puts down at night on her bedrooom.
    In Europe - a resort development wherein people have second homes. You roll the shutters down at night and your unit is impregnable.

    I look at "impregnable" homes in my area. The best is one with motion detectors and cameras on the outside, a blast wall of concrete like material in a wall on the street, card key entry, roll down door for each entrance. I even saw the area inside done by a Japanese architect. Pond and pool. Large ground to ceiling glass windows and roll down steel blast panels.

    You can also redo your windows and put in near bullet resistant glass. Of course, my sister who redid all her windows on a conventional tract home and simply put in modern windows paid $14,000 for new windows. New windows are incredibly expensive. Such is why I leave in the glass that my kid holed with a bb gun 20 years ago.:crying:
     

  3. John Rambo

    John Rambo
    Expand Collapse
    Raven

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 2010
    12,745
    820
    Location:
    Tampa, Fl.
    3M makes fantastic window films. Security/Tint/UV Blocking. Whatever you want. I recommend them as a first step. Shutters are alright, but lets be honest, you're going to be nailing boards over them anyways if the **** hits the fan.

    HAVE THE FILMS PROFESSIONALLY INSTALLED. DO NOT INSTALL IT YOURSELF.
     
  4. IvanVic

    IvanVic
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2012
    5,599
    1,058
    We are going to have 3M installed on our first floor windows. To give you an idea, a friend said he had his house done for $1500 dollars, and I believe it's around 2,500 sq ft. I will update this once our house is built and we have the installation done, but that will be several months from now.
     
  5. Carry16

    Carry16
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2004
    579
    1
    Location:
    SW Missouri
    I looked at various films at a survival expo a few years ago. The film is best at minimizing smash and grabs from places like jewelry stores. If you want to use it to harden your glass windows it needs to cover the window PLUS a good bit of your frame. If it is only applied to the window there is nothing to prevent someone from kicking the entire window into your home leaving a broken frame as the result. I have always figured it I needed to protect my windows in a SHTF scenario I would screw boards across the ground floor windows. I have a brick home and feel the walls offer a lot of protection, unless someone decided to drive a pickup through one. Siding homes can be entered with a battery operated sawzall in 2-5 minutes....and your neighbors probably won't even notice. Same with virtually everyones roof, if the bad guys can set up a ladder and use a sawzall to cut out a small section they can drop into your home in minutes as well. Best defense is not to let anyone get that close.
     
  6. Warp

    Warp
    Expand Collapse
    ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2005
    16,220
    268
    Location:
    Atlanta
    As I stated I would intend to cover the windows up in a SHTF, but I want something to stop baseballs, bricks, molotov cocktails, etc, from going through the window and into the house during the rest of the times.

    People breaking into homes with a sawzall through the wall is so exceptionally rare I've never even actually heard of it happening, and 2-5 minutes is a LONG time. I hope that if somebody tries to break into my home that is how they do it...seems like one of the slowest ways imagineable to get into my house.

    It is quite literally impossible to not ever physically allow people to approach my house.
     
    #6 Warp, Aug 24, 2012
    Last edited: Aug 24, 2012
  7. Carry16

    Carry16
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2004
    579
    1
    Location:
    SW Missouri
    My impression after listening to the salesman and watching various videos is that the films sort of make auto safety glass from your window. By that I mean that they prevent the glass from shattering and crumbling in a million tiny pieces. They hold all those pieces of glass together kind of like you would expect if you covered your window with clear packing tape and then smashed it with a hammer. There may be better products, but from my observations the film and or your window would not stand up to repeated rocks. These films would be great inside a jewelry store on display counters because by the time the surprised smash and grabber figures out that it ain't gonna' be as easy as he thought he may turn around and leave.

    I'm not being a smart ass, just passing along what I saw a few years back. Our ex-sheriff was promoting the stuff and it didn't take long for him to move on to other ways to make a living.

    For stopping some flying debris during a violent storm these films may also afford some protection.

    I have never read of a home invasion using a sawzall, it was all in my head. That said, I'm guessing on a vinyl sided home that a bad guy with a drywall knife could cut and remove a nice section of siding, and cut through the celotex or whatever insulating board is on many homes, rip out the insulation and get through the drywall in near silence. Kind of like what they used to do on Mission Impossible when they would drill through concrete walls without making a sound :rofl: Food for thought only.

    The TV show "Storage Wars" makes it painfully obvious how little security even the best padlocks offer today when put up against a battery powered cuttoff tool.

    Well I've strayed far enough away from your original thread, so I'll shut up now.
     
  8. Warp

    Warp
    Expand Collapse
    ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2005
    16,220
    268
    Location:
    Atlanta
    Nowhere did I ask or expect window film to stand up to repeated attacks and actually keep a determined attacker out.


    I think it would be great for the house because if I am here then by the time they realize they can't just throw a rock/brick and then waltz through the opening I will have retrieved a firearm and prepared for them...and/or the dogs will be all over their ****.


    I understand. There's nothing wrong with telling people exactly what you think they can reasonably expect from something.



    I haven't either. People seem to mention it a lot for something that seems to never happen, though.


    Impenetrable, my house will never be.



    It's all about upping the level of the attack that is necessary to break into the premises and making it take longer/make more noise/attract more attention to do so.

    + not letting a molotov cocktail come through the window and onto the couch might be a big deal. Almost certainly not...but it could.

    And like I said, a stray baseball. I'd hate to be gone and have a sports ball shatter the big front window and have an opening from my house to the outside world...or have pieces of broken glass lying around when my dogs go running up to it.
     
    #8 Warp, Aug 24, 2012
    Last edited: Aug 24, 2012
  9. malleable

    malleable
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Dec 29, 2009
    960
    2
    If you go with a security film make sure to apply adhesive around it or someone can just push it in.
     
  10. FLA45fan

    FLA45fan
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Aug 27, 2002
    97
    0
    Window film = 3M. Great stuff when installed properly. We have had it on a condo that we own here in Fla. After I saw the video demonstration I was sold. It keeps the glass intact when objects hit it and they use some sort of sealing material to bond the whole thing tho the frames. We have two triple sliders and a double slider as well as two large windows and they survived the 3 hurricanes we had in 2004. We now live in a frame house :( that is protected by lexan panels that have to be put up before storms. Personally I felt safer in the CBC (concrete block construction) condo with all the windows. I think the windows would hold up to a great amount of abuse before entry could be gained, by either weather or foe.

    By the way, I second the motion of getting the 3M stuff professionally installed.
     
  11. ca survivor

    ca survivor
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2011
    8,419
    53
    Location:
    Florida
    I'm seen here in Florida now, like a screen but made of like 3/16" sheets with 1/4" holes covering the windows, seen it in business only, hospital mainly. but I would not mind it in my house, you can still see out, don't know if easily removed for cleaning windows etc.
     
  12. BR549

    BR549
    Expand Collapse
    Thread Killer

    Joined:
    Jan 18, 2008
    441
    0
    3M Window Film - go ahead an try it yourself if you must.

    Enviroblind or QMI or similar security shutters and sunscreens.
     
    #12 BR549, Aug 27, 2012
    Last edited: Aug 27, 2012
  13. ray9898

    ray9898
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    May 29, 2001
    14,016
    1,179
    Location:
    Georgia
    With that front door I don't think I would bother. There is just not enough solid material between the door latch and the side windows to allow any real security. No matter what you do you cannot eliminate that entry point.
     
  14. Warp

    Warp
    Expand Collapse
    ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2005
    16,220
    268
    Location:
    Atlanta
    We put frosted film on the sidelights to block visibility, it had nothing to do with security.

    No matter what kind of door was there I could never eliminate it as an entry point, sidelight or not.

    It has a door club anyway. I figure that to get in the door will have to be broken or the top hinge will have to be ripped off. Both of those things are certainly possible for a strong and determined man to do, I think, but it would probably make a lot of noise and take a minute...or at least take measurably longer than if the club wasn't there. (it's anchored in the concrete slab)
     
    #14 Warp, Aug 27, 2012
    Last edited: Aug 27, 2012
  15. ranger1968

    ranger1968
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Mar 23, 2009
    4,226
    1,207
    Film to keep the odd flying object for shattering the glass;

    For intrusion protection,

    Steel bars, solid, at least 5/8 inch thick, welded at the junctions and to 1/4" flat bar at the edges, though-bolted to the other side of the wall with large backing plates.
     
  16. Warp

    Warp
    Expand Collapse
    ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2005
    16,220
    268
    Location:
    Atlanta
    Steel bars violate the appearance requirements.
     
  17. ranger1968

    ranger1968
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Mar 23, 2009
    4,226
    1,207
    And shutters don't?

    OK......
     
  18. ray9898

    ray9898
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    May 29, 2001
    14,016
    1,179
    Location:
    Georgia
    I understood that, I was just commenting on the normal weakness of the frame area of front doors with the viewing windows on each side. Hopefully the door club would slow them down enough to give you some time. I have seen burglaries where those windows were broken out and the door simply unlocked by reaching through.
     
  19. Warp

    Warp
    Expand Collapse
    ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2005
    16,220
    268
    Location:
    Atlanta
    From an appearance standpoint...shutters > iron bars.

    I don't foresee installing either though.

    I hate the sidelights.

    I used a double cylinder deadbolt. The key is not kept in the cylinder. For escape/fire purposes, however, there are currently only adults staying in the house (ever) and there are multiple keys located within reach of the door...if you are on the inside.
     
    #19 Warp, Aug 27, 2012
    Last edited: Aug 27, 2012
  20. quake

    quake
    Expand Collapse
    Millennium Member

    Joined:
    Aug 4, 1999
    4,105
    59
    Location:
    Arkansas, USA
    Seen the sawzall thing in person, probably 1997 or so. Local Little Rock TV personality had goblins break in thru their crawlspace, and then came up thru the master bedroom floor with a saw. They had their way with the goodies in the master bedroom, but tripped a motion sensor when they went out into the hallway. They got away with most of the good stuff from the bedroom, but nothing from the rest of the house. (For whatever reason, many people decline a security contact on their crawlspace door. Never understood that, as the crawlspace is usually the only easily-accessible area that provides a completely concealed access to most, if not all, of many houses... :dunno: )

    Also seen the "butcher knife thru the vinyl siding" thing. Only once, and more than ten years ago as well. Houses in the neighborhood apparently had OSB for sheathing only at the corners; rest of the wall spans had "blackboard" (or "tarboard"); so the interior sheetrock was literally (imo, anyway) the toughest thing to break thru in the wall. Guy(s) ripped off several pieces of vinyl siding in the back and then literally cut thru the tarboard with a knife; we assumed a butcher knife from the looks, but don't really know for sure.

    One other off-kilter entry point is simply to break one of the small garage-door window panes & pull the opener-release rope; seen that twice.

    Only once seen someone break a window and crawl through, and that was just last year.

    All that said, most residential break-in points I've seen, and I see a fair number, are a kicked-in door; usually the back, side, or garage-entry door (the door separating an attached garage from the house proper). I'd say literally more than 90 percent of residential break-ins I've seen have been just that; a kicked-in door.


    On this - major +1. Home security systems are a big part of what we do, and after near 20 years of security & law enforcement involvement, it seems that "the answer" almost always boils down to three things; time, attention, and difficulty. Whatever you can do to make breaking into your home more time-consuming, more attention-drawing, and more difficult to break into, is usually the 'right' thing to do. Whether that's window film, tougher construction, better locks & doors, sensor lights, alarms with sirens, dogs, or whatever, the goal usually should be simply to make it slower, more attention-getting (noise, light, etc), and more difficult.