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Scientific wood block test; .32 S&W (short)

Discussion in 'Caliber Corner' started by Berto, Sep 7, 2012.

  1. Berto

    Berto woo woo

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    .....Ok, not scientific at all, actually.

    But it's caliber corner, so maybe interesting to someone, maybe not.

    I frequently hear people talk of the lack of power in this ancient pocket revolver round....a .312 lead pill going maybe 650fps (if you're lucky), maybe 80-90ft lbs of energy or thereabouts.
    I've read stories of it bouncing off 2x4's, won't shoot through both sides of a garbage can, etc.

    I figured I'd test those theories by shooting a few random household objects with an old .32 Top break, in this case an Iver Johnson 3rd model safety hammer and even older Smith and Wesson 1 and 1/2 single action revolver.(shown compared to S&W 442 .38sp)

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    Both these guns shot factory smokeless 88gr lead round nosed loads from Remington. These are good for 600fps (<or >20fps) in 3" barreled revolvers.

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    First thing I wanted to do was wet phone books, so to the dungeon I went....

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    Two bars of Irish Spring and two waterlogged seattle phonebooks *just* stopped .32 S&W round, when fired in the 1888 era S&W. It stopped about 3/4 the way through the second book, about 6" of wetpack traversed.

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  2. Berto

    Berto woo woo

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    ...and two bars of soap.

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    Going straight after the books, no soap, it sailed though both with enough gusto to clang audibly into my Cratsman toolbox. 7-8" of wetpack.

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    So, against soft stuff, the little anemic .32 SW doesn't seem all that bad- that would translate to about 12" ballistic jello (correct me if I'm wrong- 2/3 conversion ratio?)
     


  3. Berto

    Berto woo woo

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    So what about something hard, like a decently seasoned block of pine?

    For that, I used the IJ revolver.

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    Wood blocks and backstop;

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    Some yaw showing at this close range, but they're in there.

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    Lower hit nailed a knot in the wood, upper hit went deeper.

    1st shot penetrated 3/4 inch, second went 1 inch to the hard pine 2x6.

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    Boolit looked like it had slammed into a block of hard wood.

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    Conclusion:

    .32 Smith and Wesson IS pretty low powered. Still, it will handle flesh without much trouble. It penetrated the stomach and assorted nearby giblets of President William Mckinley, causing him to die.....but the first of the two shots fired by his assassin was deflected by a button on his coat.
    Against hard objects, low velocity limits any real penetration, as shown with the wood.
    It didn't bounce off, but penetration was low. Even my .38 S&W Enfield would blast through a 2x6 like this.
    Hopefully anyone curious about these old obsolete guns and cartridges might find this interesting.
     
  4. c01

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  5. Glock19Fan

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    A 36 grain Federal Bulk HP blasts through a 2x4 like nothing from a Jennings .22LR single shot pistol.

    Im honestly suprised by the results you got, I figured they would have done better against the wood.

    Thanks for the post!
     
  6. Berto

    Berto woo woo

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    That's my experience too, the .22lr even from a snubby will usually go right through a couple inches of pine. The harder copper plated ones especially....but they have velocity, about 300-400fps over the .32 SW, even if half the bullet weight.

    They have similar sectional desity, but the .22 is just going faster.
     
  7. M 7

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    Berto,

    Wasn't there a deringer chambered in .32 S&W? I remember reading quite sometime ago that it had the penetration problem you've just demonstrated- just can't remember if it was in this caliber. :dunno:

    Thanks for posting the this test- very interesting.
     
    Last edited: Sep 7, 2012
  8. Berto

    Berto woo woo

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    The Rem mod 95 Derringer shot a .41 rimfire that was notorious for bouncing off wood....IIRC about a 130gr pointed lead bullet at 450fps.
     
  9. Glock19Fan

    Glock19Fan Cool Guy

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    I wonder if the .41 REM Rimfire ever killed anyone from blood loss rather than infection? Its hard to image that penetrating very deep.
     
  10. Berto

    Berto woo woo

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    Good question....I'd imagine a throat shot could do it...or groin.:faint:
     
  11. concretefuzzynuts

    concretefuzzynuts Brew Crew

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  12. M 7

    M 7

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    THAT'S THE ONE!!!

    Thanks. :)
     
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  13. Berto

    Berto woo woo

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    I don't like my phone books starchy.
     
  14. Foxtrotx1

    Foxtrotx1

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    How many pine boards does a 7.62 Nagant penetrate? :whistling:
     
  15. RWBlue

    RWBlue Mr. CISSP, CISA CLM

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    I have a S&W in 32S&W long. Your results are just like my results.

    I have a quarter I shot that just got dented.
     
  16. janice6

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    Good enough to start a war.

    Wife likes Tomcat.
     
  17. FFR Spyder GT

    FFR Spyder GT Ex-Gunslinger

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    Pretty neat!

    Back in High School a friends uncle tried to kill himself with a H&R revolver shooting the .32S&W. he shot himself 5 times in the head and because of the angle the bullets penetrated the scalp and skidded along the skull to the other side of his head.

    2nd time he placed the barrel in his mouth and shot off the left side of his lower jawbone.

    3rd time he used a sawed off double barrel 12ga.
     
  18. concretefuzzynuts

    concretefuzzynuts Brew Crew

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    Wow. Just, wow. You have a way of pooping in every thread you post in.