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Saiga 12 vs. Mossberg 930 SPX

Discussion in 'Tactical Shotguns' started by mdfd, Dec 22, 2010.


  1. mdfd

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    Help me decide between the two to add to my collection. For HD as well as casual range fun and SHTF purposes. I already have a Mossberg 590 if that matters at all...
    Which would you pick and why?

    TIA!
     

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  2. Jon_R

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    Do you want to keep it loaded. I would think but I am not certain a loaded mag in a saiga pushing the top shell against the bolt for extended periods of time would be a problem. If you plan to keep it unloaded mag near it then it is not an issue. I don't think leaving the mags loaded is an issue but I don't have one. From that for HD I would give the slight edge to the mossberg 930 for quickest to get ready.

    I have a 930 SPX but I have a 590 I keep cruiser ready for home defense.

    Having said that the next shotgun I get will be a Saiga 12 but it is strictly for playing games. Just trying to decide if I want a basic and do the work or just buy a tricked out gamer one. :)
     

  3. mdfd

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    thanks for the reply Jon, if I go the Saiga 12 route, chances are I will leave the mag fully loaded but not inserted.
    I also would feel better getting one that has been professionally converted if I go that route....perhaps we can get someone like Red Jacket to give us a deal huh?:whistling:

    Being a 930SPX owner, perhaps you can offer some insight...what are your likes/dislikes of the 930 SPX? what is it about the S12 that makes you want one that the 930 SPX does not already do for you?
     
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  4. Jon_R

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    Most of my guns primary purpose is playing games. USPSA, IDPA, 3-Gun, etc.... If I have to use them for defense so be it I am confident in them because I shoot them often in varying conditions in simulated stress. Last weekend I ran my BCM SBR AR in 50 degree pouring down rain weather because I had a match. No match and I don't shoot in 50 degree rain storms. I also shot my G23 and Mossberg 590 and all worked fine. The carbine I left sitting on a table in the open between stages so it was as wet as it could be. When it was my turn I just pointed the barrel down to drain and shot the stage.

    The Saiga desire is simply to allow me to reload my shotgun during a stage 10 rounds at a time in a couple of seconds. I can't do that with the 930.

    Likes for the 930 well balanced, I have the ghost rings which I like on that gun. Action is smooth and fast enough. Very light. No rubber seals like the 11/87.

    Dislikes. None strong dislikes. It holds 7 + 1 and in Limited and Tactical Division I am allowed to be 8 +1 so I give up a round to others at the start of each stage. There is a ghost loading technique but I have gotten into that yet. The loading gate at least on mine an early one is a little shorter then I would like. If you don't get the shell in far enough into the tube it can pop back under the loader then you have to mess with the bolt to clear it out. Not a big deal until you are under a clock in a match. No choke tube. For heavy shot no big deal but when some punk decides to put a plate out at 25 yards sometimes you can't knock it down with birdshot and cylinder bore. I got around it by being the Match Director and having a lack of people who help setup stages. :whistling:

    I was thinking about a Saiga from here.

    http://www.randrtargets.com/
     
  5. mdfd

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    I've heard nothing but good things about R&R, allbeit they are a bit pricey but appropriate for what it seems like you're looking to do with it.
    Somehow I think the 930 SPX will prove to be more reliable unless I go for a professionally tuned S12 which in turn will probably cost at least twice as much as the 930 SPX...
     
  6. ScrappyDoo

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    Tacticool brah!

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    930 SPX is the bomb!

    Can't go wrong. everyone loves it... it's at least as good as those FN SLP/M2 Tac's at half the price...
     
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    You can add a Nordic or Choate extension that will raise your capacity. Yes, it will extend a little past the muzzle, but that won't hurt anything.
    There will also be a new competition model of the 930 coming out that will solve a lot of the issues with gun games.
    It is doable, but not just the easiest thing to do.
    That's been one of my complaints. If there was a clearing slot in the lifter, the round could be pressed back into the mag tube.
    The barrel can be threaded for chokes, and I believe the new comp version will have a 21-24" barrel with no ports and will be threaded for chokes.
     
  8. mdfd

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    so has there been a change in the loading gate on the newer versions or does the issue still exist?
     
  9. Jon_R

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    I have not heard it has changed but I have not put much time into researching.
     
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    I'm really liking the Mossberg 930 SPX.

    Mind if I ask how reliable it is?
     
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    Just my personal opinion based on one actual hands on experience with a Saiga 12...its freakin awesome! But due to the owner having feed problems with training ammo (cheap birdshot), and the issues with shotgun shells becoming compressed over time since they are stacked horizontally...I just could not see myself using a Saiga as my primary HD shotgun at this time.

    It would be a killer fun gun but my 930SPX is personally proven to be rock solid reliable with zero malfunction at over 1000 rounds. I used to be the guy who never advocated semi-auto shotguns for HD but now that I have run my 930 fairly hard with the cheapest ammo possible, I personally would use it as a primary HD gun. (only because I tested it myself. Not all semis are GTG until it passes my own tests)

    The things I love about the Saiga that would get me to still buy one is that reloading a full mag is lightning fast (obviously due to the detachable mag).

    Its all about preference.

    Every time the 930 comes up I feel obligated to direct folks to my 930 SPX videos or send them to M24shooter's awesome review.

    Here is my 930SPX video.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axCK9ZqvIfw
     
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    Mine eats anything, super reliable with a mediocre cleaning regimen. I've put a PolyChoke II on mine for variability.
     
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    Love my 930 SPX, lost count but have well over 1,000 shells through the gun mostly low brass target loads with 0 malfunctions.

    Marry Christmas
     
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    I was in the same situation as the OP, when I saw the review of the 930 spx against the cz 712 utility. I was dead set on the 930, but the review got me thinking. The only problem is that I can't add 50 lbs. of "tacticool" to the cz, and the spx already comes with 25lbs of tacticoolness. Actually a clamp for a light and a mag extention is all I want. The light is easy, but the mag extender is the problem.

    Anyone come across the cz in the hunt for the great auto 12?:dunno:
     
  15. Sheepdog Scout

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    If I had a dollar every time some one wrote/said "SHTF purposes".
     
  16. ScrappyDoo

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    Tacticool brah!

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    See but what is wrong with preparing? Just IN Case...

    You can't GET prepared..... You have to BE Prepared....


    imho.
     
  17. mdfd

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    you would have yet another dollar....:whistling:

    I do like the advantage of a faster reload on the S12. Most all of the professionally converted S12's will shoot low brass reliabily for all your plinking needs. Since the S12's were originally designed to shoot reliably with higher loads/high brass, HD purposes should not be an issue, unless you believe in defending yourself and family with #8's.....
    I like the 930 SPX for it's out of the box readiness and no need for "tuning", but I'm leaning towards a lghtly used professionally converted S12 if one ever comes my way...I still have my reliable 590 that I am keeping...
     
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  18. powder86

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    not a big deal until you're in a clocked match, or trying to reload in a HD scenario... mine does this occasionally and it drives me NUTS! :brickwall::burn::shakehead::fist:
     
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    But I don't want another gun to keep up with magazines, you don't ever have to run out with the SPX cause you can top off as you go without removing magazines. Just depends on how you look at it I guess.
     
  20. ScrappyDoo

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    Tacticool brah!

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    Very well put Sir!!!!!!!!

    I just don't see how anyone can make the real argument that the SPX can't keep up with the Saiga of all things, because it doesn't take detachable mags. If the Saiga was so revolutionary, it would have been copied a little more. Lets even go a step further-- If the Mossberg engineers thought the excellent and outstanding representation of Combat power the 930 SPX represents NEEDED something like a detachable magazine -- they would have given it that option!!

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