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Sacrificing caliber for capacity- what's your cutoff?

Discussion in 'Caliber Corner' started by breacher1, Oct 27, 2010.

  1. breacher1


    Apr 13, 2009
    First and foremost- I'm not starting a caliber war here. This question is for 40 cal and 357 Sig shooters only. 9mm fans can keep it moving.

    Where do you draw the line when giving up capacity for larger caliber? Example- G19 mag holds 15 rds and you only lose 2 rds when moving into a G23 or 32. However other pistols such as the Beretta 92 style hold 15 rds of 9mm but drop all the way down to 11 rds of 40 cal. (in the mags only)

    If you are a hardcore 40 or 357 fan how many rds would you give up before saying screw it and switching to a hot 9 in your favorite pistol? (This is mostly hypothetical) Thanks for your thoughts!!!
  2. Berto

    Berto woo woo

    Sep 15, 2003
    9mm is better than both those rounds, and I like your steyr pistol.

  3. cowboy1964


    Sep 4, 2009
    That's the first pistol I've heard of that drops 4 from 15. Typical (as you pointed out) is 2.

    It really wouldn't bother me if that was my favorite gun. Kind of annoying but it wouldn't cause me to give it up.
  4. breacher1


    Apr 13, 2009
    ha ha, thanks. that's kinda why I started this thread. That Steyr was an M40 that held 12 rds of 40. Then I chopped the butt to S40 length and use 10 rd S40 mags.

    It shoots great and is only about 1/4 to 1/2 inch shorter in the butt than my G19. Both have 4 in. barrels. That got me to thinking - it's 40 vs. 9 but I'm giving up 5 rds of 9mm to carry the Steyr 40. I like 'em both equally.

    Tale of woe........
  5. mesteve2


    Mar 2, 2001
    I would want a Glock 38 or 37 that is it.

    I would not trust the others!
  6. Milezenji


    Jun 21, 2009
    heh, I must be a freak of nature.

    I carry 6+1 of 45 ACP usually. With 2 spare mags, though.

    13 rounds of +P 230 gr HP and 6 rounds of FMJ. I hope it is enough if I need it, I suspect it will be.
  7. frank_drebin

    frank_drebin 1-man flash mob

    Jan 15, 2009
    Breacher. What would possess a man to chop his pistol grip like that?? I would be way to scared for such things. Tell me more about this "Steyr" brand of pistol. I'm not sure if I've ever heard of them before. :supergrin:
  8. fredj338


    Dec 22, 2004
    I have a diff outlook. Living in a 10rd max state, how large a gun do you carry for your 10rds? I will carry my G26 w/ 10, but not a G17 or even G19, no point really, might as well go to a larger caliber for my 10rds. It's one reason a 1911 8+1 doesn't bother me.:dunno: You still have to get hits w/ what you have.
  9. BgDnTx


    Dec 4, 2009
    I have in the past been tormented by the decision between my G23 and G30, which are both almost the same physical size but with a 4 round difference, and caliber, and speed, and hitting power. Solved the mental anguish with Winchester Talons and now I'm ok with either. And backup both with full size G22 and G21 mags if I have to stick around a while.
  10. Clem Eastwood

    Clem Eastwood

    Mar 7, 2004
    DFW, TX
    back in the days of the AWB i carried a .40 SIG P229 w/ 10 +1. after the AWB expired i went to a P229 9mm and picked up 3 rounds. i know that isnt exactly the question, but thats probably what i would consider the number to be significant enough to make a move.
  11. shotgunred

    shotgunred local trouble maker

    Mar 1, 2008
    Washington (the state)
    I carry a G23 (40 sw) and would not switch to a G27 (40 sw). You lose rounds and more importantly grip.

    I wouldn't switch to a G19 to gain two rounds.

    I would feel fine carrying a G38 (45 GAP) or a G32 (357 sig)
  12. Daryl in Az

    Daryl in Az Enjoying life!

    Aug 31, 2007
    I'm not sure that "compromise" in caliber is even a consideration when I buy a gun.

    I.E., if I don't like the capacity of the Beretta 92, I'll carry a different pistol instead of going to a smaller cartridge.

    I carry a G23 most of the time these days, and I wouldn't switch to a G19 to gain two rounds in the magazine.

    My firearm collection is to a point where most of my firearms fit into fairly specific uses, and the 9mm doesn't fill any need for me. Therefore, there's no compromise, and no desire to carry a 9mm.

  13. My Steyr M40-A1 has seen a lot more CCW time than the G17 and the Steyr is more comfortable to shoot, even with full power handloads. :thumbsup:

    I go back to the years when we carried .357mag and 1911s, so magazine capacity isn't a priority with me. Based upon experience, I'm very confident with first shot placement.

    Bob :cowboy:
  14. 167


    Oct 27, 2008
    My cut off in any caliber is 15 unless forced to carry less (i.e. issued duty weapon).

    You can burn through a lot of bullets really fast in a gunfight.
  15. NonPCnraRN


    Aug 6, 2010
    Being another Californian the 10 round mag limit makes choices moot regarding 9mm vs 40. Being used to 1911 type pistols (Milspec, Star PD, Colt Gov't 380 and Mustang) 6-7 rounds is something I have become accustomed to. I always considered the auto as a few rounds more than a revolver of comparable size ie 5-6 shots. So a 10 round mag is more than what I consider minimal and mags are certainly faster than speedloaders. My age is showing. I prefer the G23 or G27 with sleeved G23 mags unless I need the compactness of the G27 with original mag. The barrel length difference between the G23 and G27 is of little significance where velocity is concerned. So if I were limited to one model it would be the G27 with either the G23 or G27 mags depending on need. I prefer solid bullets with large meplats and the DT 200 gr with its .32 inch meplat is larger than even 45 cal SWC meplats. If a commercial loader would come out with a .45 ACP with a 230 gr WFN that feeds reliably I would consider the G36. But for right now the G27 is my choice. An aftermarket 357 Sig barrel and mag adds to the options available should I decide I need a caliber that doesn't start with a "4".
    Last edited: Oct 28, 2010
  16. cole

    cole Millennium Member

    Dec 25, 1999
    OP: I'll play along. How I feel today:

    Full size: 15+1 rounds of .40sw in the G22. I'd this (using 180gr) over the G21sf.

    Compact: 13+1 rounds of .40sw in the G23. I'd take only the G30 over this.

    Sub-Compact: 9+1 rounds of .40sw in the G27. I'd take only the G26 over this.

    The G26 is as small and as low-capacity as I'll go in 9mm. The selling point for the 9mm IMO is small or high capacity. I usually opt for .45acp when I can.

    I have no use for .357sig. And, I don't have use for the .40sw given statements above. I choose 9mm for capacity and .45acp for projectile weight.
  17. fastbolt


    Jun 9, 2002
    CA Central Coast
    I don't usually get sidetracked by the sheer capacity of a weapon I'm selecting for off-duty or now retirement.

    I have small 9's with mag capacities of 7, 8 & 10 rounds, and small .40's with mag capacities of 7, 9 & 10 rounds. I do have a full-size .40 which has 12-rd mags, but I seldom carry it. (I even have a couple of .45's with mag capacities of 6 rounds, and others I own run upward to 7, 8 & 10 rounds, but those are outside the calibers mentioned in the original post. ;) ) I don't use .357SIG, but if I did, I'd consider mag capacity no more or less important of a factor than I would another caliber weapon.

    Now, how well an owner or user can actually acurately and effectively use & shoot his/her choice ... meaning caliber/recoil management & platform design ... especially under some controlled stress involved in some training & qual conditions? I'd consider this before I considered capacity ...

    Suit yourself. Choose wisely.
  18. Berto

    Berto woo woo

    Sep 15, 2003
    I'm not overly concerned about capacity vs all the other variables that determine my acceptance of a given weapon. It's one of many things.
  19. GunFighter45ACP


    Jun 11, 2005
    D/FW, TX
    In the 9mm vs. .40 world, I choose 9mm, because I'm more accurate w/it than w/the .40. To me, the extra 2 rounds are a bonus, but not a deciding factor.

    Yet, I own & occasionally carry a G27, because the higher # of rounds it offers seems like an advantage to me over the round count if I carried one of my 3" 1911s. IMO, these days, the threat has evolved to a point where having a higher capacity must be considered in order for you to remain tactically viable. 13 of .40 vs. 15 of 9mm to me is a wash, but I think either is better than 6+1 of something else.
    Last edited: Oct 29, 2010
  20. DonGlock26


    Jan 18, 2001
    I consider 9mm, .357sig, and .40 pistols to be generally high cap pistols to me. .45acp and .38spl. capacity differences bother me much more.