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S2K -vs- Mazdaspeed MX5

Discussion in 'Car Forum' started by Rob1035, Jun 28, 2005.

  1. Rob1035

    Rob1035 Skeet Surfer

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    I'm thinking about getting into a droptop in a little while, and these two have ended up at the top of my list. Both are newish, can be had for ~ 20k (1st gen S2k, not the new one). I used to have an Integra Type R, which sold me on Honda motors, gearboxes, and reliability, but the Masdaspeed is newer, lighter, with more easily available hp. This wont be my daily, but I want something reliable enough to act as thus.

    Both are 6 speeds with great gearboxes, low weight, balanced rwd with lsd, nifty interiors, get decent mileage.

    VTEC+9K rpms is intoxicating, but then again, so is b00st...

    Any thoughts on the two?
     
  2. Ron3

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    I've heard from a few folks (and newspaper articles) that the Honda S2000 is not a good "road" car. As in not comfortable even compared to other cars in it's class.

    Even Sport Compact Car said something like, "Honda says the 2004 S2K is far more road friendly than the previous model, don't you believe it!". It handled fine, but they wouldn't want to drive one any distance or every day.

    Just some thoughts, I've never been in either of these cars.

    Ron3
     


  3. new2mud

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    Let's face it. You are going to want more power eventually, and the path to more power always gives the nod to forced induction. The Mazda block is so overbuilt, it's unreal--will handle lots more power easily.

    Honda motors are amazing engineering marvels, but are high-strung and don't take to massive overpower without fortifying internals.

    Just take a look at www.flyinmiata.com for 1.6L engines that came from the factory with 113bhp that are now making 250+ with NO internal mods whatsoever, and with stock reliability.
     
  4. Rob1035

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    yeah i'm well aware of the miata's power potential. The shop I frequent has a project miata thats making just under 300whp (mustang dyno) and puking trannies. That's one of the appeals of the MSM is the tuning. Its obviously not stressed stock, both in engine output and suspension tuning. With that car, there'd be more cause to tinker, which may or may not be a good thing. With the S2k, the suspension is fine as is, and the expense of getting more HP is prohibitive, and i'd probably leave it stock or close to it, again, a positive/negative depending on your take.

    I know the best way to decide will be back to back drives, but its still fun to discuss.
     
  5. 45acp4me

    45acp4me Pissed puppet

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    Miata for sure.

    Though is has less HP, it's lighter has better overall potential and the cost is a few thousand less.
     
  6. Rob1035

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    plus i can put some 15"s on it and drop almost 8lbs a corner (with SSR comps) and have a cheaper tire selection to boot
     
  7. new2mud

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    Miatas ripping through trannies is rather unusual, although your experience at the local shop obviously is not reassuring.

    Too bad I am no longer in the Triangle--I have dyno'd at 269 RWHP on a Dynojet, 1.6L, stock internals, stock tranny, and over 70k miles on forced induction to date. Bullet-proof reliability. Many, many others are pushing power similar to mine (and more) without tranny issues.

    That said, I have driven an S2000 on a track, and believe it to be approximately 8/10ths the car that mine is now, but with the benefit of being ready to rock out of the box. It's an impressive car.
     
  8. Rob1035

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    yeah i dont know why they're having problems either, Bob@P1 must be hard on trannies...
     
  9. 22/45

    22/45 Snail Driver

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    Rob, get the Me-otter. From what I've heard, you really need to whale on a Stook to get it moving good, much more so than on a Hype R. Besides, even a stock, non-snailed MX5 will leave you with a poop-eating grin, can you imagine it with positive pressure?
     
  10. new2mud

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    not to hijack rob's post, but 22/45, what you got there? looks intriguing.
     
  11. 22/45

    22/45 Snail Driver

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    You mean what's the boost gauge from my avatar in? Nothing that exciting - '99 Volvo S70 T5. Took me a few months to find one with a manual transmission. Put down 220whp with a K&N drop-in, need to go again now that I have a good exhaust.

    One of these days I'll get a flashed ECU. They claim about 280hp and 300tq at the crank, but they run about $1,000 ;g

    Money better spent dropping a 302 in one of my older Volvos ;f
     
  12. new2mud

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    sweeeeet. i have always loved turbo volvos.
     
  13. 22/45

    22/45 Snail Driver

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    It's a fun car, but a 242 with the same HP would be a whole lot more fun ;f
     
  14. knives

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    are you a male nurse? if not why look for a mazda? I have driven my friends s2k and loved them. I'm a bit partial though...my car is a civic hatch with a h2.2. If your looking for high boost you'll have to sleeve both blocks to make respectable power. Call golden eagle for a sleeve job or if you want you can run with stock internals and get the Comptech supercharger.
     
  15. Rob1035

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    miata=fag comments are so 1995, get with the program.

    Its going to be a daily driver probably, so there wont be any big mods for either.
     
  16. epsylum

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    the miata has a parts everywhere and can from what I hear can be made to handle like a shifter cart.


    I am way too damn big for either :(

    @6'3" I would have to get in either by having the top down and climbing in from the top LMP style.
     
  17. Rob1035

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    A little welding and an "01" on the doors...
     
  18. new2mud

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    Rob,

    If you REALLY, really mean that there will be no mods, then I would probably tip my hat to the S2K. But do you really mean that?
    ;f
     
  19. Rob1035

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    lol yeah, that's a good point. It'd probably be only a rollbar, exhaust for noise, and brake pads, for either one.