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S&B .45 GAP ammo?

Discussion in 'Caliber Corner' started by MTS532, Aug 14, 2010.


  1. MTS532

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    Just got a couple boxes of this stuff for my G38. This is regular 230 grain FMJ ball ammo. Does anybody have any experience with this ammo? Any chronograph results from a 4" barrel?
     

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    Hello? Anybody? Wow....The sound of the crickets in here is deafening!
     

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    OK....I'll play.

    The reason nobody is posting on this thread is that nobody has a .45 GAP. We all have real .45 ACP guns.
     
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    Yeah, I shot 50 rounds of the stuff yesterday. It was controllable, accurate and clean burning. I chewed the center out of the target at about 7 yards away.

    I don't have a chronograph, but out of a 4" barrel, I'd guess it should be somewhere between 820--840 fps, which is about what you'd get out of a 5" barrel with .45 ACP.

    The S&B GAP ammo was a lot cleaner burning than the WWB stuff I have used before.
     
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    Exactly. If JMB didn't design it, I ain't interested in it.
     
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    Why would we want a watered down .45 caliber round when we can get plenty of .45 ACP?
     
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    What a couple of jackwagons! :brickwall:

    The GAP is NOT a watered down .45. It fires a bullet of the exact same weight and diameter at about the same velocity as the .45 ACP, but it fits in a 9mm/.40 S&W format.

    So if you like the .45 ACP, you can now have this performance in a smaller grip frame. Theoretically, whatever you could fit a 9mm or .40 S&W in, you can fit a .45 GAP in, with only minimal changes in the gun's dimensions to accommodate the larger diameter round. And it offers this performance at lower pressures than either the 9mm or .40 S&W.

    Currently, there are at least five state police agencies using the .45 GAP, and there are other, smaller police agencies.

    If your LGS doesn't carry the .45 GAP, it is readily available online.
     
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    The .45 GAP is an answer to a question nobody asked. It's like the sequel to the .41 AE.
     
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    You can think of it that way if you want, but consider this for a minute:

    The 9mm, .40 S&W and .45 GAP all fit in the same frame size.

    While the 9mm, .40 and .45 all have their adherents, they all have their detractors as well. All have been used in combat or in law enforcement applications and all can work, and all can fail. There are plenty of examples of both success and failure with any service caliber.

    While there is no such thing as a magic bullet or caliber, a lot of people simply prefer a relatively large heavy bullet.

    The GAP can fire a big, 230 grain .451" diameter bullet at about 830 fps from a 4" barrel, which equals the ballistics of the tried and true .45 ACP from a 5" barrel.

    But let's drop the "GAP" nomenclature for a minute. Let's just think of it as a '.45.'

    With these ballistics, the .45 is thought by many to be the best self defense caliber of the three most popular semi-auto service calibers. Historically, it has proven itself in real combat all over the world against determined enemy combatants, even with ball ammo.

    In gel testing, and with the best self defense ammunition available today, the .45 penetrates about as far as the .40 but often expands to a larger diameter than the 9mm or .40. In fact, the expanded diameter of the 9mm and the .40 S&W are similar. The 9mm may expand to about .60--.62" and the .40 may expand to about .66--68"

    The .45 can expand from about .74--.78" or beyond.

    http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=19887

    Some people think that if they could have any one of these calibers in exactly the same frame, many feel more confident with the .45, whether this confidence is warranted or not.

    And while some feel the 9mm is barely adequate, many don't like the snappy recoil associated with the .40. Again, this is a perception and training issue, but there are folks who prefer the .45's felt recoil, described as more of a "push" than a harsh, abrupt "snap" associated with the .40.

    They say that follow up shots are faster because the gun comes back on target a bit faster. Sending bullets into the target as fast as possible is the definition of stopping power.

    So let's see. In an anecdotal sense at least, the .45 is a proven "manstopper" the world over in real combat. In FBI testing, the .45 penetrates about as far but often expands to a greater diameter than the 9mm or .40 and the felt recoil is softer than the .40.

    Now you can get all three calibers in exactly the same frame size.

    To some people, this would be a no-brainer. They like those big heavy .45 caliber bullets.

    If those big, heavy .45 caliber bullets happen to have been fired in the GAP, who is going to know the difference?
     
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    This is one of the best threads ever. MTS, I see that we are neighbors. Do you ever shoot at Sportsman's Lodge in Yadkinville?
     
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    Hey, Pang!

    No, I shoot at Calibers in Greensboro. Been going there for about 7 years now. In fact, I've never been to the place in Yadkinville. I may have to try that out!
     
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    Hmmm.....You make some good points, but....















    ....You're still a JACKWAGON! :tongueout:
     
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    I live on the western edge of Winston-Salem, so I can be at the range in Yadkinville 14 minutes after I leave my house. It's $12 per visit. I enjoy it.
     
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    I actually live in Kernersville, so I'm close to Calibers. LEOs get a break on their membership fees.
     
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    I have a case of it. It shoots pretty soft. It recoils about the same as my G22 with 165gr American Eagle. I don't have any chrono date, though.

    LJ