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Romanian SAR AK-47

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  1. Teej

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    Hello, I just purchased my 1st AK. I was leaning towards an AR for a SHTF weapon but talked to a friend who has both an AR and AK and his preference is his AK. I agreed with his reasoning and started searching for an AK and found what I thought was a decent deal although I know nothing about AK's.

    I have not received it yet so I cannot post pictures.

    I bought a Romanian SAR AK-47 with a under folder stock. It has a chrome lined threaded barrel. The owner says it is a SAR with a stamped WARS 10 from Century? I am guessing he means the receiver? It takes double stacks.

    I bought it including one 30 rnd mag, including mag pouch, bayonet w/sheath & cleaning tools and sling. My price including shipping is $435.00.

    What are your thoughts? Is this a decent weapon? Is there anything I need to upgrade or watch out for? I probably would like to change the stock out to a 6 position AR type stock if possible.

    All opinions and suggestions will be appreciated.

    OH, the slanted flash suppressor freely unthreads. I thought they were spot welded on to make the ATF happy. Could I get in trouble accepting it in this condition?

    Thank you
     

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  2. Jmzzl

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    If it's Romanian, and has a reciever from Century, then it's probably a WASR-10. I have one and I love it. It sounds like you got a good deal.
     

  3. Glockdude1

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    It will cost you quite a bit of money to change out a underfolding stock for a collapsable AR stock with a AK-47 receiver. Best way to do that is buy a AK with a standard stock.

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  4. CarlosC

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    No such thing as a SAR with an underfolder stock. SARs were imported as SAR-1 (7.62), SAR-2 (5.45) or SAR-3 (5.56), all with fixed stocks. The seller has either an underfolder kit-built Romanian AK, or it's a WASR.
    The price is not bad. The threaded muzzle isn't a issue either and the brake is supposed to be a little loose so it can be removed. As long as the retention pin from the FSB holds it in place, it's not a problem.
     
  5. CarlosC

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    I just thought about this and figured I'd share. It's everything you'd ever want to know about Romanian AKs. I got it long ago from a Romanian AK page that no longer seems to be running, but the info was correct. Over time I also added different versions that were coming out. Enjoy!!

    SAR-1: 7.62, fixed stock, pistol grip, no threads, hi-cap, dimpled receiver
    SAR-2: 5.45, fixed stock, pistol grip, no threads, hi-cap, dimpled receiver
    SAR-3: 5.56, fixed stock, pistol grip, no threads, hi-cap, dimpled receiver
    ROMAK 991: 7.62, thumbhole stock, lo-cap, nut welded over threads if threaded, no dimples on receiver
    ROMAK 992 (lo-cap): 5.45, thumbhole stock, lo-cap, nut welded over threads if threaded, no dimples on receiver
    ROMAK 992 (hi-cap): 5.45, fixed stock, pistol grip, no threads, hi-cap, no dimples in receiver, some had AK-74 muzzle braked welded on
    ROMAK 1: 7.62, Dragunov stock, hi-cap, dimpled receiver, nut welded over threads if threaded
    ROMAK 2: 5.45, Dragunov stock, hi-cap, dimpled receiver, nut welded over threads if threaded
    MK-II: same as ROMAK 2
    CUR 2: same as ROMAK 2 but better fit and finish and many came with muzzle brakes welded on
    WUM-1: 7.62, thumbhole stock, hi-cap, nut welded over threads if threaded, dimpled receiver
    WUM-2: 5.45, 7.62, thumbhole stock, hi-cap, nut welded over threads if threaded, dimpled receiver

    WASR (pre 9-2004)
    WASR-10 (lo-cap type 1): 7.62, thumbhole stock, nut welded over threads if threaded, no dimples in receiver
    WASR-10 (lo-cap type 2): 7.62, fixed stock, pistol grip, nut welded over threads if threaded, no dimples in receiver
    WASR-10 (hi-cap type 1): 7.62, thumbhole stock, nut welded over threads if threaded, no dimples in receiver
    WASR-10 (hi-cap type 2): 7.62, fixed stock, pistol grip, nut welded over threads if threaded, no dimples in receiver

    WASR (post 9-2004)
    WASR-10 (lo-cap type 1): 7.62, thumbhole stock, better overall quality, nut welded over threads if threaded, no dimples in receiver
    WASR-10 (lo-cap type 2): 7.62, fixed stock, pistol grip, better overall quality, nut welded over threads if threaded, no dimples in receiver
    WASR-10 (hi-cap type 1): 7.62, thumbhole stock, better overall quality, nut welded over threads if threaded, no dimples in receiver
    WASR-10 (hi-cap type 2): 7.62, fixed stock, pistol grip, better overall quality, nut welded over threads if threaded, no dimples in receiver
    GP WASR-10: 7.62, fixed stock, pistol grip, threaded barrel with muzzle brake, bayonet lug, no dimples in receiver
    GP WASR-10 Folder: same as GP WASR-10, but with a side-folding stock
    WASR-2: 5.45, fixed stock, pistol grip, hi-cap, unthreaded barrel, no dimples in receiver
    WASR-3: 5.56, fixed stock, pistol grip, hi-cap, unthreaded barrel, no dimples in receiver
    MK-V: 7.62, AR-style collapsible stock, Galil handguard, hi-cap, threaded barrel with muzzle brake, bayonet lug, no dimples in receiver
    AK MV: Same as GP WASR-10
    AK MV Underfolder: Same as GP WASR-10 with underfolding stock
    STG-2000C: 7.62, WASR receiver and trunnions, chrome-lined hammer forged GFM barrels, M-16 muzzle brakes, STG-940 furniture, STG-940 style AIR carbine FSB/Gas Block
    STG-2002C: 5.45, WASR receiver and trunnions, chrome-lined hammer forged GFM barrels, M-16 muzzle brakes, STG-940 furniture, STG-940 style AIR carbine FSB/Gas Block
    STG-2003C: 5.56, WASR receiver and trunnions, chrome-lined hammer forged GFM barrels, M-16 muzzle brakes, STG-940 furniture, STG-940 style AIR carbine FSB/Gas Block, STG-941 clone

    Kit builds and non-WASRs
    Model 1975: Romanian parts kit on US dimpled receiver, hi-cap, threaded muzzle with brake, bayonet lug, plastic furniture
    Model 1975 Bullpup: Bullpup configuration, dimpled receiver, hi-cap, threaded barrel with muzzle brake
    AK-47C: 7.62, Romanian parts kit with US dimpled receiver, hi-cap, STG-2003 buttstock and pistol grip
    AK-47C side folder: same as AK-47C but with side-folding TAPCO stock and FAL-type pistol grip

    AI: standard AK-47 using Type-1 receiver
    AIS: AK-47 using Type-3 receiver
    AIM (PM md 63): standard AKM, later models used donkey dong foregrip
    AIMS (PM md 65): Underfolder AKM, donkey dong foregrip that curved back
    PM md 90 (AIR): AIM with side-folding wire stock based on East German design
    G-Model: Former Romanian Patriotic Guards (Garda) AKM (big "G" stamped on the left side of the RSB)
    AIMS-74 (PA md 86): standard issue Romanian AK-74 with side-folding wire stock used on PM-md 90. First versions had fixed wood stocks similar to original Russian AK-74.
    PA md 86 (Short or Commando): same as AIMS-74 with short barrel of only 11.9 inches, revised gas block with integral front sight, revised flash suppressor
    Pa md 97: identical to PA md 86, but in 5.56

    The PA stands for Puşcă Automată, or Automatic Rifle. PM is for Pistol Mitralieră or Puşcă Mitralieră, not sure.


    If there are any corrections or additions - anyone - please let me know so I can update my database!!!!
     
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  6. markieboy

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    Thanks for the info, CarlosC! Very informative and thorough.
    Here's the new link for the Romanian Kalashnikov page:
    http://www.novarata.net/Linx310/index.html

    CarlosC, I was wondering your opinion on the AK-MV. Do you know if the canted sights and mag wobble are common in this variant, as compared to the ordinary WASR-10?
     
  7. CarlosC

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    Man, thanks for the link! I have been wondering what happened to that page!

    To tell you the truth, the AK MV seems exactly the same to me as the WASR, just a different name. They're touting it as a Romanian AK M(ilitary) V(ariant), but it really isn't.

    I do not really know if the canted sights and mag wobble area continuing problem from the WASR. Actually, neither is really a problem, unless they are extreme.
     
  8. Teej

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    All the aftermarket collapsable 6 position stocks I just looked at all say they will attach to ALL stamped receivers with NO gunsmithing needed.

    This is all new to me. I have never had and AK nor have I fired one. Guess I will know better when I recieve my AK next week and look at the markings.

    I am working on posting a picture. thank you
     
  9. Teej

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    Check the Century site. They have a GP WASR-10 with underfolding stock.
     
  10. Glockdude1

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    This is my Norinco with a 6 position stock on it.
    [​IMG]

    Let say you have a AK with a underfolding stock. A collapsible AR style stock will not fit the rear of the receiver, until you have both the stock, trunion & rear plate, removed from the rear of the receiver.

    My Yugo & G22.
    [​IMG]

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  11. Teej

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    How does your Yugo shoot and handle as pictured with only the pistol grip? And I understand what you are saying about the collaspible stock fitting. Thanks
     
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    I really like the SAW grip. It fits my hand great. It shoots and handle's very nice.

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    Is the SAW an aftermarket grip?
     
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    Those of you with Romanian AK's, what mags do you suggest and what to steer clear from?

    I will only be getting 1 30rnd and would like at least 6 total. I found a decent deal on Yugo 30rnd mags. How do you think the Yugo's will function in it?
     
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    They bill them as European mags, but they're actually Chinese or, more than likely, a combination of Chinese and Yugo parts that are referred to as Chugos in the AK community.
     
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    The Yugo mags should function perfectly in your Romy. Magazines are interchangeable between all AK-47s and AKMs in 7.62. It doesn't matter what country they're from...one of the beauties of the AK system.

    Yugo mags are pretty unique in that they feature a bolt hold-open on the follower. When the mag runs out, a cutout on the back of the follower prevents the bolt from flying forward. It doesn't damage an AK to dry fire it - it was designed to do so - but it is nice to know when you're empty.

    As for magazines I would stay away from...US-made mags. Just a personal opinion. I don't think anyone makes better AK mags, steel or plastic, than the original manufacturers. Never, ever, ever, ever consider buying a ProMag too.

    If you're not concerned about originality (Romy gun with a Romy Mag), then get whatever is the best deal you can find.
     
  18. Teej

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    That is great info to know. Do ALL Yugo mags have that feature? I have heard others complain that they did not like the fact the bolt does not stay open when empty.

    I am guessing with these Yugo mags you mentioned that when locked open you just have to pull the bolt back a little and let go and it will load a new round from a loaded mag?

    If so, that is enough to make me want all Yugo mags.
     
  19. CarlosC

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    All Yugo mags have that feature, as well as some very rare Chinese mags.

    Actually, the bolt is held 100% by the follower, so once you remove the magazine, the bolt will fly forward.

    It's really up to you if you want to use them. I have Yugo mags for my Yugo rifles, but I don't prefer them over any other AK mag. I am a big fan of the Chinese mags...they just seem to fit every one of my AKs very well.
     
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    This is some of the best advice about mags that you can get.

    If you are interested in learning some of the differences that will help you in identifying mags, go to http://www.gunsnet.net/forums/showthread.php?t=163184.
     
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