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Rock River or Smith&Wesson

Discussion in 'Black Rifle Forum' started by 1time, Jun 21, 2011.

  1. 1time

    1time Lifetime Member

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    A friend is looking for a patrol rifle and these are the only approved rifles. Which is the better rifle at this point.
     
  2. S&W, no contest

    ETA: Not the M&P Sport
     
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  3. SigFTW

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    Do you own a RRA? just curious.
     
  4. zhix

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    I vote S&W M&P, but based mainly on specs; I have experience shooting someone else's M&P and my only experience with RRA is using one of their lowers for a build.
     
  5. mjkeat

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    Theres a great thread on M4C covering the S&W and getting it up to speed.
     
  6. Johnspark

    Johnspark Grumpy Fish

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    I have the S&W M&P15 and love it. I am going to build my next AR and RR is on the list of possible candidates. I'd like to hear more about RR from some with experience also.
     
  7. Burns

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    1. S&W
    2. Go over to m4carbine.net and ask the same question.
     
  8. I owned 2 in the past
     
  9. boomhower

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    S&W. If he can find a last generation M&P15T for a good price they offer a lot of value with the Troy components.
     
  10. iLift45's

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    Love my RRA!! They are sweet.
     
  11. And based on your experience, what makes it a better choice for a patrol rifle over a S&W?
     
  12. SigFTW

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    I was going to ask you the same question. Why is S&W better than RRA and what are the facts to back up your statement? I would like to know too.
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  13. madecov

    madecov book em' Danno

    RRA chrome lined barrels are optional. RRA uses commercial buffer tubes. S&W uses chrome lined barrels as standard and mil spec tubes. Both receivers are made by CMT. otherwise it's a wash. Both are decent. S&W seems to be a little lower in cost. Neither gun uses 4150 steel in the barrel.
     
  14. This, plus I would never trust the RRA 2-stage trigger on a duty rifle.
     
  15. BuckyP

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    Forgive the noob question, but is this a good thing or a bad thing?
     
  16. They use a lower quality steel than what the TDP calls for, but for a semi-auto rifle it doesn't matter.
     
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  17. madecov

    madecov book em' Danno

    Both also use a softer steel in the bolt and carrier. Carpenter 158 is the TDP. not sure what the steel used by CMT ( supplier of parts to both manufacturers) is. Most of the TDP spec is not critical, but the closer the gun the better chances are that it can be run hard before a failure. I've run a Stag pretty hard as a duty gun without issue. I currently run a Spikes upper on a Stag factory assembled lower as my patrol carbine
     
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  18. SigFTW

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    Just to further clarify, this is a quote from Steve at RRA:
    "Multiple metals, depending on which part you're discussing. The carriers themselves are case-hardened 8620.
    The bolts are the same material (Carpenter 158), just chromed.
    Steve/RRA
    "

    It looks like a mix of 8620 and 158.
     
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  19. M&P15T

    M&P15T Beard One

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    He doesn't have to!!:supergrin:

    S&W still makes and sellls both M&P15T models (at least based on their website.)

    I own an original M&P15T, and I love it. 100% reliability, great accessories, good price (around $1200.00).
     
  20. RatDrall

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    I've had both.

    The RRA had an assembly flaw or two, like bare metal showing around the front sight tower. The staking on the BCG was almost nonexistant as well.

    The S&W is the better rifle, and less expensive. I've fired hundreds of rounds in a session, without cleaning or lubing, and have yet to see my M&P15 malfunction.