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Discussion in 'Rimfire Forum' started by James Markov, Nov 23, 2006.
Or a Bo-Staff
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These stories sound familiar. I can not get my wife to shoot anything bigger than a .22LR . . . She has her CCW License, and did her live-fire qualifying with her Sig-Sauer Mosquito (22LR). Ohio has a State mandated target for CCW qualification. She put 49 of 50 rounds into the required target ( about a 12 inch circle at 21 feet ). It is loaded with Stingers for carry. I wish she shot at least a 9mm, but I'm very glad she is comfortable and proficient with her Sig.
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A can of pepper spray would be more effective in the short term.
If you can't hit your target with at least a 9mm you have no business carrying a gun.
if she can put a 49 of 50 rounds into a 12 inch circle at 21 feet, a can of pepper spray isn't going to do anything for her.
I am sorry but that is pathetic. At 7 yards she should be able to put them all inside a nickel. A 12 inch group with a 22 lr under no stress at the range does not equate to being ready to defend herself with a firearm. The pepper spray will be easier for her to use and will more likely be noticed by the attacker than a small wound from a .22. If you seriously are planning on using a .22 for self defense you need to be able to quickly and accurately dump the entire mag into the head box. Not the head itself but the area between the nose and eyes.
At close range I would take a Bo-Staff over a .22 pistol.
Ohhh Man that was funny
Are you serious
Yes as a cop I have seen people shot with small caliber pistols and its less than impressive. I have also seen the results of people hit with bags and 2x4's and it was far more effective. Seriously anyone considering the .22 for defense needs to have their head examined. The round was designed for target practice and small game hunting. It was not designed to stop lethal attacks from human attackers. You won't find any respectable firearms instructor recommend a .22 long rifle for self defense.
A LEO once told me that more peole are killed by .22's than any other bullet ! I'm sure that is some reflection of the vast number of 22 pistols, revolvers, and rifles that are out there being shot every day. The 9mm ranks second.
On a previous page - did yha see all those Nylon 66's - the "best" 22 rifle ever made .........
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Its true that the .22 has killed more people than any other rounds however the reason for that is more people own .22's than any other round. Another point is killing and stopping are two different concepts. Murdering someone by shooting them in the head when they are sleeping is not the same as stopping a violent attack from armed determined attacker.
Point Taken !
But, I'd rather my wife had the comfort and confidence in using her Sig Mosquito, if needed, instead of a rolled up newspaper. And I doubt pepper spray is very effective half way across the house. With time, and patience, I hope to get her more comfortable shooting my G19 instead of the Mosquito.
But, you are most likely a large male and can effectively use one as well as a large caliber pistol. Could a 95lb female do the same? Especially one who just will not make the effort to train effectively?
I introduced a friend's wife to shooting yesterday. She is very petite, thin as a rail, and not enamored with guns. She only did it to please him. He wants her to be able to defend herself when he is out of town, they live in a secluded place. She was "OK" with the Ruger 22/45, although even with that she was not having fun. She simply couldn't handle the Glock 22 w/9mm barrel (equivalent to a G17). That's a big gun in 9mm, doesn't kick much to me at all. I'm sure she could learn to handle something even more powerful if she had her mind in the right place, but I don't think she will ever seriously want to learn. People like that could at least use a .22 and not be scared of it.
I have trained a female officer who was 4 feet 8 inches tall and under 100 pounds to shoot a Kimber Warrior without a problem. A 9mm would have been a better choice for her but she wanted a .45 and she did fine with it. It simply does not take much to be able to fire a 9mm, 40sw, 45 acp well when it comes to size and strength. I like .22 pistols for starting people on but they are not to be used as actual defensive weapons.
The points regarding the use of a larger caliber weapon are well founded; and I support that concept. In addition, I strongly support the concept that accuracy and confidence are a vital and integral part of SD / HD. Until any shooter is capable of both, using a larger weapon, carry what you can reliable defend yourself with ......
Having said that, I will add: many many years ago, my brother-in-law shot an intruder with a .380 ( using HP's ) - twice in the chest from a distance of 3 feet. The intruder crawled away - the police picked him up one house away, out on the street. YEP ... bigger is better !
I have trained female shooters to handle large caliber weapons as well. Some are willing. Some are not. Attitude is more important than physical stature. Size does matter only in that it takes a little more determination as size decreases IMO. Actually, let me clarify that. It's been my experience that taller, rail thin people are more adverse to recoil than a shorter person of the same weight. The lady yesterday was of the former.
Pat, I was in LE for 34 years in a large city (many years as an investigator). While I agree a 22 is not ideal for self defense I've see quite a few shootings with them. I for one would not want to be shot with one, particularly out of a rifle. Faced with one I would retreat.
I think I posted my experience shooting a barricaded armed subject with a 22 rifle earlier. A 22 is better than nothing and certainly better than a bow staff or sharp stick.
MAC66 - where is this article located ? I'd like to read it ... Thanx
I think it was in this thread. This thread is over 4 years old so it may take a bit to find it.
Long story short. Worked for an agency in a large city but not for the city PD. Responded to a man with a rifle barricaded in a house who was shooting at police with a M1 Carbine cuz I knew most of the city coppers on that shift. Used a Remington 66 to shoot the guy as he showed his face in a upper floor window from about 100 yards away thus ending the situation.
Not really a self defense situation in the classical sense but it stopped the fight.
Thanks ... I always loved the Nylon 66, and it appears that it worked well for you on that day. Congrats for ending the situation without the loss of any LEO's !