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Retirement isn't a right

Discussion in 'The Okie Corral' started by devildog2067, Sep 16, 2012.

  1. devildog2067

    devildog2067

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    For essentially all of human history, people have had to work in order to feed themselves. If they stopped working, they died. If they lived long enough that they were too old to work, their families or communities took care of them.

    This idea of "retirement" is pretty new. When did we start to believe that people are "owed" a retirement? Retirement is something you save for on your own, or enter into a contract of some kind with an employer to provide for you. It's not something you're guaranteed. It's not something you "deserve." It's something you have to figure out, and if you can't figure it out or luck goes against you, then you have to work until you die. That's just the way it is. If you won't take care of yourself, you can't expect anyone else to.
     
  2. TBO

    TBO Why so serious? CLM

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    certifiedfunds Tewwowist

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    When we realized we could vote to force a young person to pay for it.
     
  4. Shinytop

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    Sure. Unfortunately what many are seeing today is their retirement contracts invalidated by courts allowing corporations and governments to change the amount contracted for. Obviously many of the contracts were determined by striking employees and better times. But retirements were planned based on promises not kept. I have true sympathy for those affected that way.

    Our own military was promised free medical for years by recruiters and reup talks, then the rules were changed. Funny how the rules always change to badly affect the very people who defended the country when asked.
     
  5. G36's Rule

    G36's Rule Senior Member

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    I wonder what your thoughts are on health care?
     
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    Agreed 100%, retirement is a luxury.
     
  7. dango

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    What about the man that has worked all his life away and
    "PAYED" SSI every week after week etc. Why then did they take MY money when I could have invested it better my damn
    self ?
    You need to give me your address so every time I see a disabled or old and sickly person I can send them to your house !
    I have worked my life away and made some plans and I will be OK. I am disabled myself now and see through different eyes now ! Many people struggle through life and do the best they can with what little tools they have.
    I was born with a gift,not everybody is you know ?
    When your time comes and it will,do your self and others a favor and jump off the bridge or something ! :steamed:
     
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  8. certifiedfunds

    certifiedfunds Tewwowist

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    If you steal from me, does that entitle me to steal from someone else?

    Doesn't justify theft or enslavement. Besides, didn't that old person have a lifetime to provide for their retirement? When did social security become retirement?

    Just because someone needs what I have very, very badly, it does not justify using the government to take it from me to give to them.
     
  9. Brucev

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    Don't say such things. It doesn't sit very well with folks when they are focused on sitting around complaining. Just understand that such complainers are not really so much interested in facts... much less truth. They are mostly interested in complaining. It's just their nature.
     
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    Yep. That sucks. The Enron folks, or whomever you are talking about, got screwed and it wasn't their fault.

    On the other hand, when there isn't any money, there isn't any money. Enron went out of business. A contract doesn't let you get blood from a stone.

    Anytime someone signs a contract that guarantees them a pension, they are making a bet on the future financial health of the entity which guarantees that pension. We're now seeing, turns out that sometimes that's not such a good bet. Sucks for the people who end up on the wrong side of it, but lots of things in life suck.

    Who's complaining? I'm working. Had a couple of mock interviews this morning, helping recruiting candidates get prepared, now I'm going over some stuff for a client meeting tomorrow. When it comes my turn to retire, I'm going to make sure I have enough to take care of myself. I don't expect anyone else to.
     
  11. certifiedfunds

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    mention retirement and the socialists come running
     
  12. talon

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    Just the gov. taking on roles they shouldnt.


    Before the 1930s, support for the elderly was a matter of local, state and family rather than a Federal concern (except for veterans’ pensions). However, the widespread suffering caused by the Great Depression brought support for numerous proposals for a national old-age insurance system. On January 17, 1935, President Franklin D. Roosevelt sent a message to Congress asking for "social security" legislation.
     
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    Let me guess, you just got hit with the 15.3% “self-employment” tax.:rofl:

    I wish someone in power came to this realization 30 years ago when I was forced to pay into SS.

    Now how about letting me unhitch from the yoke of SS payments from here on and the FEDGOV can keep 30 years of garnishments and we will call it even.
     
  14. certifiedfunds

    certifiedfunds Tewwowist

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    Like Rahm said, "Never let a crisis go to waste"
     
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    SSI is an entitlement tax - it is not a retirement fund - your money has not been set aside anywhere.
     
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  16. dango

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    Interesting point,so who then is the real thief here ?
    As I said and I will say again for the sake of you that have missed it.

    I have lain plans and will be all right either way,I speak for the "LESS" fortunate but all I see is is indifference .
    And so sayeth the Lord . BS. !
     
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  17. devildog2067

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    Oops, wrong thread
     
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    Does it really matter to the person being stolen from?
     
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    Angry Fist Dehumanizer® Lifetime Member

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    It's all a scam. Cover your own ass.
     
  20. Averageman

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    What are you going to do about it?
    When we went in to the Social Security System it was the middle of a National Crisis. People weren't living in cities so much as rural family farms.
    Now we have a population that can't put in a garden, based all of their retirement plans on Social Security and have little or nothing to back it up.
    At this point if you stop the system in mass, what will we have?
    You can't depend on families to take care of their elderly, you can't count on the elderly to take care of themselves without Social Security, so what's your answer?
    When I saw this comming some years ago, I decided to stay in the Military and make a career out of it rather than getting out and going back to college. I looked at the Military as a trade and now I'm watching the value of the dollars I get in retirement lessen in value and my benefits dwindle so we can give them to someone else.
    I knew Social Security was screwed, but it would seem my decison to take a Military career and it's retirement benefits is getting screwed too.
    Whats to say tomorrow some well meaning Socialist decides to take our 401K's?
    Get as angry about it as you like, but what can the Average guy do to fix it?