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Retired cop gets away with blasting an ATF agent

Discussion in 'The Okie Corral' started by uptomyneck, Jul 16, 2012.

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  1. uptomyneck

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    Two guys wrestling for control of gun, shoot both to be sure...go home safe.
     

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    Important lesson to be learned here when you think about how you would handle a robbery attempt. You may not be the only one with a gun and unless you are wearing a CCW badge and sash, not everyone will know you are the good guy.
     
  4. Gallium

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    Your title is way off, and shows your very biased slant. The shooter? He is still a wreck.
    The deceased is still dead. Both men had honorable intentions.
     
  5. uptomyneck

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    Honorable intentions huh? Maybe you missed the part where he stuck his gun in the guy's ribs and capped him. His intentions where to make the guy dead.

    Unless your attorney has a $1M retainer, I don't think the "Honorable Intentions" defense would work with a civilian.
     
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    Spot on. (As usual!)
     
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    This, not that.
     
  8. uptomyneck

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    How do you say that? Do you know the story? Here's an excerpt...

    Garaghty f'd up plain and simple. And Nassau County District Attorney Kathleen Rice doesn't even take it to the Grand Jury. That's some good 'ol boy **** right there.

    Someone not in the Judicial click would be up ****s Creek and you know it.
     
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    Oh man, a dollar short, a day late, and full of venom. I love it!
     
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    Civilians for the most part don't have training for that type of situation. They typically won't leave a deli to attend to an armed robbery that is going on up the street. Well, maybe Zimmerman would.

    Anyways, it went sideways and a civilian probably would get charged for meddling in a situation that he had no training for. A civilian should just call the cops and not run up the street and play hero. Now, if the civilian was sitting in the deli and bullets started flying and he thought he was protecting himself from a bad guy, it would be viewed as self defense.
     
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    pssst!

    TS, this board is full of cops, retired cops, cop lovers, and CCW badge holders. Abort!!

    As for the shooter, the road to hell is paved with good intentions. He's going to have to live with it.
     
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    The retired cop is a civilian. In fact, unless he was military police and subject to UCMJ, he was a civilian when he was working.

    Civilian = subject to civil law.

    What can I say, my father was a state trooper and he corrected me on the finer points of military vs civilian until I got it right.

    John
     
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    Mister_Beefy Legal & Proper

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    to answer OPs question, a civilian that did that would have had the book thrown at him... especially in new york.

    rule number four.
     
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    series1811 Enforcerator. CLM

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    It is amazing the things cop haters can latch onto to self-validate.
     
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    I'm not a cop and I'm not a cop hater.

    How should this have gone down, so the good guy didn't end up dead?

    Should the ATF agent not shot the fleeing perp?

    Should the retired police officer not have run to the scene of the crime in progress?

    Or was someone doomed to get shot from the start?

    I'm not asking about "responsibility"--obviously if the criminal had simply not committed a crime none of it would have happened. But as I said, I'm not a cop and the training I have is either as a gun-carrying civilian or as a Marine, which are different skill sets.

    So as a cop, tell us--what should have happened? What's the course of action that leaves us with (ideally) no one dead, or failing that, only a dead perp?
     
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    Apropos of nothing, I can't disagree with the dude's technique: making sure that he didn't miss.
     
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    Wow. That is horrible all the way around.
     
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    You pose good questions. There are no definitive answers. When I use "you", I'm not referring to "you" (devildog) specifically.

    Always, always remember that if you're not sworn to "serve and protect" and you take no action, you can NEVER be legally responsible for your non-actions or anyone's resulting death. (The retired cop was retired. He had no duty to act).

    Also remember that whenever a gun is involved (active LEO's gun, retired LEO's gun, or civilian's gun-they're equally lethal), carp can happen. People can and will die.

    There are no training scenarios or engagement rules that will cover every conceivable scenario that can arise.

    Unfortuntly for the retired cop, that belief was mistaken. Yep, should you decide to take action, always remembers that NO GOOD DEED GOES UNPUNISHED. :crying:
     
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    Yawwwwwn...

    Patchman is correct, day late and a dollar short, gentlemen.


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    Just another example of the hazards of pulling your gun in a public venue. Besides the bad guy you have to concern yourself with the 1st responders & whoever else may come upon the scene.
     
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