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'Renounce Your Faith or stay in prison'

Discussion in 'Religious Issues' started by Ramjet38, Aug 4, 2012.


  1. Ramjet38

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    SONS OF LIBERTY

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  2. Kingarthurhk

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    Isaiah 53:4-9

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    Matthew 10:39, "Whoever finds their life will lose it, and whoever loses their life for my sake will find it."

    Luke 12:4-8, "I tell you, my friends, <sup class="crossreference" value='(D)'></sup> do not be afraid of those who kill the body and after that can do no more. <sup class="versenum">5 </sup>But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear him who, after your body has been killed, has authority to throw you into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him. <sup class="crossreference" value='(E)'></sup> <sup class="versenum">6 </sup>Are not five sparrows sold for two pennies? Yet not one of them is forgotten by God. <sup class="versenum">7 </sup>Indeed, the very hairs of your head are all numbered. <sup class="crossreference" value='(F)'></sup> Don’t be afraid; you are worth more than many sparrows. <sup class="crossreference" value='(G)'></sup>
    <sup class="versenum">8 </sup>“I tell you, whoever publicly acknowledges me before others, the Son of Man will also acknowledge before the angels of God."

    Those of my faith know that should we live long enough, we will see these days for ourselves.

    I pray they are given the strength to endure, and that their cells become a place of glory rather than darkness.

    Acts 16:22-34, "The crowd joined in the attack against Paul and Silas, and the magistrates ordered them to be stripped and beaten with rods. <sup class="crossreference" value='(AM)'></sup> <sup class="versenum">23 </sup>After they had been severely flogged, they were thrown into prison, and the jailer <sup class="crossreference" value='(AN)'></sup> was commanded to guard them carefully. <sup class="versenum">24 </sup>When he received these orders, he put them in the inner cell and fastened their feet in the stocks. <sup class="crossreference" value='(AO)'></sup>
    <sup class="versenum">25 </sup>About midnight <sup class="crossreference" value='(AP)'></sup> Paul and Silas <sup class="crossreference" value='(AQ)'></sup> were praying and singing hymns <sup class="crossreference" value='(AR)'></sup> to God, and the other prisoners were listening to them. <sup class="versenum">26 </sup>Suddenly there was such a violent earthquake that the foundations of the prison were shaken. <sup class="crossreference" value='(AS)'></sup> At once all the prison doors flew open, <sup class="crossreference" value='(AT)'></sup> and everyone’s chains came loose. <sup class="crossreference" value='(AU)'></sup> <sup class="versenum">27 </sup>The jailer woke up, and when he saw the prison doors open, he drew his sword and was about to kill himself because he thought the prisoners had escaped. <sup class="crossreference" value='(AV)'></sup> <sup class="versenum">28 </sup>But Paul shouted, “Don’t harm yourself! We are all here!”

    <sup class="versenum">29 </sup>The jailer called for lights, rushed in and fell trembling before Paul and Silas. <sup class="crossreference" value='(AW)'></sup> <sup class="versenum">30 </sup>He then brought them out and asked, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” <sup class="crossreference" value='(AX)'></sup>

    <sup class="versenum">31 </sup>They replied, “Believe <sup class="crossreference" value='(AY)'></sup> in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved <sup class="crossreference" value='(AZ)'></sup> —you and your household.” <sup class="crossreference" value='(BA)'></sup> <sup class="versenum">32 </sup>Then they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all the others in his house. <sup class="versenum">33 </sup>At that hour of the night <sup class="crossreference" value='(BB)'></sup> the jailer took them and washed their wounds; then immediately he and all his household were baptized. <sup class="crossreference" value='(BC)'></sup> <sup class="versenum">34 </sup>The jailer brought them into his house and set a meal before them; he <sup class="crossreference" value='(BD)'></sup> was filled with joy because he had come to believe in God—he and his whole household."

    So, when it is for the glory of God, even these things can be turned into a blessing.
     

  3. Syclone538

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    My first thought was, where is the happening, so...



    But anyway, I think this is even worse then granting parole because someone found religion.
     
  4. Kingarthurhk

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    Isaiah 53:4-9

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    I think you are missing the point:

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  5. Syclone538

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    The conditions and torture are why it's worse.

    I don't think coercing someone to renounce faith is any worse then coercing someone to claim faith.
     
  6. Kingarthurhk

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    Isaiah 53:4-9

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    Considering that both violate God's principles, you are right.

    Joshua 24:15-16, "<sup> </sup>But if serving the Lord seems undesirable to you, then choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your ancestors served beyond the Euphrates, or the gods of the Amorites, <sup class="crossreference" value='(AR)'></sup> in whose land you are living. But as for me and my household, <sup class="crossreference" value='(AS)'></sup> we will serve the Lord.”