close

Privacy guaranteed - Your email is not shared with anyone.

Rem. R1 Build

Discussion in '1911 Forums' started by Palouse, Jul 21, 2010.


  1. Palouse

    Palouse
    Expand Collapse
    The Resistance
    Lifetime Member

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2006
    4,058
    0
    Location:
    Washington State
    I do not own a 1911 and would like to. I'm considering an R1, but in doing so I would like to add some things like a better hammer, beaver tail grip-safety and better sights. Nothing grand, but I would like it for carry IWB. In budgeting for this, I'm trying to get a ballpark figure of what a simple upgrade like that would add to the pistol. Also, am I missing anything? Any help is appreciated.
     

    Wanna kill these ads? We can help!
  2. MD357

    MD357
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2008
    4,124
    11
    Personally, I'd go with a Springfield Mil-spec if I was going to do those mods.
     

  3. zhix

    zhix
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Jan 31, 2010
    1,121
    0
    Wouldn't it be more expensive to replace sights on the Mil.pec. or am I thinking of the wrong model? The R1 already has dovetail cuts in it. Your costs of the modifications would depend a lot on what parts you get; similar parts from different manufacturers differ considerably in price.

    IMO I like the sights that are already on the R1, unless you wanted night sights or something, and although the SA Mil. Spec is said to be the best base gun for builds, I personally would take a cast US frame over a Brazil forged frame.
    And if you get one in stainless be sure to look at the slab sides to see if they're straight and someone wasn't careless in polishing & made a big hump on it like one I looked at recently.
     
  4. Jason D

    Jason D
    Expand Collapse
    INFRINGED
    Silver Member Millennium Member
    1. Project Mayhem

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 1999
    41,927
    987
    Location:
    Mivonks, MI
    It would be easier to work on a Springfield with it's series 70 type system.
    The Remington is a series 80 type.
     
  5. MD357

    MD357
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2008
    4,124
    11
    To be clear I'm talking about the Mil-spec not the "GI" which have the same sight cuts as the Remmington. The reason I suggested it is because the springer is one of the better base guns out there.

    Those that are somewhat knowledgable in steel realize that brazillian forgings are excellent. On top of that.... do "we" even know where Remmy gets their castings?
     
  6. Black Cloud

    Black Cloud
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2008
    495
    0
    Location:
    San Antonio, TX
    I think it would be cheaper to buy a Kimber Custom II or a Loaded.
    There are other manufactures around with those features already added at a lower price (RIA for example).
    Don't forget you need to refinish the pistol after installation of a beavertail, and an extended thumb safety feels a lot better than the standard.
     
  7. Black Cloud

    Black Cloud
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2008
    495
    0
    Location:
    San Antonio, TX
    R1 base 550 - 625
    Springfield Mil. Spec. 475 - 700 (preferred)

    Hammer 25+
    15+ installed

    Sight set 75+
    30+ to cut the front dovetail, 15+ depending on drifting or dovetail rear

    Beavertail safety 35+
    30+ installation, and 50+ to park slide only.

    With parts and labor you are looking at around 260.

    You can easily get a Kimber Custom II or Springfield loaded NIB w/ns for 700 -825
     
  8. zhix

    zhix
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Jan 31, 2010
    1,121
    0


    Yes, I was thinking of the GI. As far as the frame, I know that the Brazil Frames are known to be quality forgings, what I am saying is that I prefer to have guns that don't say MADE IN BRAZIL on them.

    Taurus uses forged brazilian frames in their 1911s as well, so an excellent Brazillian forging alone doesn't exactly make a 1911 high quality.
     
  9. MD357

    MD357
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2008
    4,124
    11
    I'm pretty sure the newer Mil specs aren't stamped on the outside like they used to be. Your comments were ambiguous so if a stamp is your only criticism then I can live with that. Again, so can many pistolsmiths out there. :cool:

    Lets not go the strawman argument route here. I was talking about Springfield, NOT taurus and neither gun is "high" quality especially the Remy.
     
    #9 MD357, Jul 22, 2010
    Last edited: Jul 22, 2010
  10. Quack

    Quack
    Expand Collapse
    Rent this space

    Joined:
    Jan 7, 2002
    9,987
    5
    Location:
    NE Ohio
    the choice is your's. i feel that the R1 is put together better than the Mil-spec or GI. that's why it took my ~8 months to find a project gun (R1). with a firends mil-spec, we had to give the trigger quite a bit of loving, and replaced the loose barrel bushing with an Ed Brown. The slide on the mil-spec felt gritty when hand cycling it, where the R1 was smooth. the downsides to the R1 is 80 series and the roll-mark, but no big deal.

    accuracy would go to the R1 as well, which shot better out of box than the mil-spec.
     
    #10 Quack, Jul 22, 2010
    Last edited: Jul 22, 2010
  11. Palouse

    Palouse
    Expand Collapse
    The Resistance
    Lifetime Member

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2006
    4,058
    0
    Location:
    Washington State
    Thanks for all the replies, gents.

    I was at my local hardware store (only place that sells guns in town) last night, and they quoted me $620 on the R1.

    However, they also have a Springfield Tactical TPS under the glass that caught my eye. They've had it for awhile, and one of the employees told me the owner is afraid it's going to gather dust, and I'm trying to work them down on price. Currently, it's at $1575, which is too high. The manager quoted me $1400 for it, but my neighbor works at the counter part time, and he said the owner talked to him about maybe letting it go for $1200. Twice the cost of an R1, but I presume I wouldn't have to do anything to it.
     
  12. Palouse

    Palouse
    Expand Collapse
    The Resistance
    Lifetime Member

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2006
    4,058
    0
    Location:
    Washington State
    I assumed that the sights on the R1 would be like those on the Spgfld GI, but now that I've seen photos, I probably wouldn't replace the sights on the R1 if I went that route.
     
  13. Quack

    Quack
    Expand Collapse
    Rent this space

    Joined:
    Jan 7, 2002
    9,987
    5
    Location:
    NE Ohio
    $1200 for a TRP is a great price.

    FWIW, the R1 front sight is dovetailed, while the Springfield is staked on. this would make sight changes on the R1 easier.

    here's some 1911 porn for you

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]
     
  14. zhix

    zhix
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Jan 31, 2010
    1,121
    0
    IMO $620 is high for the R1 unless that price is OTD. I can get one for $569 + tx. I'm not saying you should get a TRP but if its 1200 NIB that would be an outstanding deal if you like it.
     
    #14 zhix, Jul 22, 2010
    Last edited: Jul 22, 2010
  15. Palouse

    Palouse
    Expand Collapse
    The Resistance
    Lifetime Member

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2006
    4,058
    0
    Location:
    Washington State
    No, it was $620+7.8% sales tax, so almost $670 OTD. They're the only place in town, and they're relatively new at it. If I buy an R1, I'll buy from an out-of-state dealer on Gunbroker and transfer it.

    The guy at the counter told me this morning that the wholesale cost on the TRP that they paid was "about" $1350, so I'm not sure what will happen. I gave him my name and phone number and asked that he speak to the store owner about what he'll let the pistol go for and then let me know. The more I think about it, the less I'm holding my breath that I'll hear "$1,200" over the phone. I'm not going to pay $1400 plus tax on the TRP.
     
  16. Quack

    Quack
    Expand Collapse
    Rent this space

    Joined:
    Jan 7, 2002
    9,987
    5
    Location:
    NE Ohio
    Bud's had them for ~$586
     
  17. Palouse

    Palouse
    Expand Collapse
    The Resistance
    Lifetime Member

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2006
    4,058
    0
    Location:
    Washington State
    Good to know.

    What triggers do you have on the pistols in the photo above?
     
  18. Quack

    Quack
    Expand Collapse
    Rent this space

    Joined:
    Jan 7, 2002
    9,987
    5
    Location:
    NE Ohio
    i think they are the 10-8 triggers. i use either the 10-8 or Wilson flat triggers in my 1911's, with the exception of the Infinity ITS on the STI.

    [​IMG]