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Reloading Noob

Discussion in 'Reloading' started by ashecht, Oct 25, 2010.

  1. ashecht

    ashecht

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    I have been reading all the posts here regarding newbies to reloading, but I am still very confused as to which equipment I would need to buy, and the best places to buy them. I apologize for not knowing more about the reloading process, but it appears to be a sound investment if you shoot every weekend like I do! Again, I have read all the posts here, but its still very confusing to me as to which press I should get, and all the other stuff, dies, powder, bullets etc. I plan on only reloading pistol rounds, 9mm and .40 cal specifically. I know opinions will vary greatly due to brand loyalty, but would someone be willing to out on a limb and give me a list of what I would need and perhaps some ideas on where to find them so I can determine what my outlay would be? Also, is there such a thing as a class which would teach me how to do it, so I felt safe when I did it on my own? Thanks in advance for everyone's help!
     
  2. Boxerglocker

    Boxerglocker Jacks #1 Fan

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    How many rounds? How much time? Do you have a budget and how much is it? You could start for as little as $100 or got all out at $1000. Do some searches lots of reloading start-up threads lately...

    The thread you started here, I mentioned the LCT as an option

    http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1275728&highlight=LCT

    Do you want to spend more or less... will the LCT meet your want/needs?

    Firstly though, if you haven't aquired and read a copy of the "ABC's of Reloading" you need to, it will answer 90% of the question you initialy will have about getting started.
     

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  3. Calico9

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    You can learn alot about various reloading products by browsing through the MidwayUSA website. Most of the tools and components they sell will have customer reviews posted. You can get a good idea which products of each type are the most popular and perhaps which ones are most appropriate for you.
     
  4. dudel

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    ABC's of Reloading will give you the list of what you need, without the discussions about the color of the equipment. It's a great resource for the person interested in getting into reloading.
     
  5. ashecht

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    your review of the LCT is in fact the one that my caught my eye. I could dedicate a few hours a week plus some time on the weekends, to reloading, and would just like to be able to crank out perhaps 200-300 9mm/week, and maybe 200 .40 a week. Even if I was only producing 100/hour that would be fine. From what I could tell from your post regarding the LCT, and looking at the site you suggested, I would need:

    lct press 180
    pro powder measure 22
    4 die set 40
    dial caliper 25
    tumbler 60
    scale 30

    total of about $400 plus shipping, plus powder, primers, bullets, of which I have no idea of cost. Am I right? Sorry for all the ?
     
  6. shotgunred

    shotgunred local trouble maker

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    If you are going to knock out 500 rounds a week and take 5 hours to do it you might want to step up to the LNL AP. Then when you are ready you can add a bullet feeder.

    20 hours a month of pulling on a handle is going to get old quick.
     
  7. Boxerglocker

    Boxerglocker Jacks #1 Fan

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    I'd go 550B myself.... provided you stay at those requirements.

    For the LCT go to Kempf's gunshop for thier LCT package deal with both upgrades and one caliber it's about $225 delivered. By far the best deal around.

    Here are some very rough numbers:
    LCT from Kempf's one caliber and both upgrades $225
    Harbor Freight dial calipers $12-15
    Dillon or RCBS beam scale $60
    Midway/Cabelas ecomomy tumbler/media kit $65-75
    Additional dies and turret wheel for an extra caliber $55-60
    Manual of choice $30
     
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  8. fredj338

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    This is how everyone should start. Read it, read it again, then you'll have an understanding about the process & what you'll need to buy. It always comes down to time vs $$. The higher volumn, the more it will cost. The LCT is a useful setup. I would cdrtainly upgrade the scale & powder measure. An adjustable measure is a must IMO, with some uberfast pistol powders, even 0.2gr can be a big diff in pressures.
     
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  9. RustyFN

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    I can load 500 rounds in three hours taking my time. It's a great press for lower volumes and a few calibers. I think you are off on your price. Check out the Lee classic turret kit here, https://kempfgunshop.com//index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=shop.flypage&product_id=630&category_id=26&manufacturer_id=0&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=41. With the pro auto disk and safety prime upgrades you are around $200. Add a scale, caliper and tumbler if you want to clean cases the easy way and you are set. Should be able to get all that for under $300.
     
  10. wrx04

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    I'm a newb too, just started loading my first rounds last week, and i decided to buy the complete package from brianenos.com. The package has everything you need all with a single click of a button. It does get a little on the pricey side (~$1080), but loading efficiency was more important to me as i didnt want to spend all day to make 100 rounds. I got the dillon 550b, and its pretty simple to operate once you figure out how it works.

    I read the "ABC's of Reloading" and Lymans manual before i even got the press...they are good to give you an overview and especially the things that can make reloading dangerous, but they are a little longwinded with some garbage that you have to sift through IMO. About 25% of the book is essential reading for a newbie, and the other 75% is junk. Personally, I learn much better by hands on/trial and error methods.

    I'm still a TOTAL rookie, as you can see from some of the threads i started, but i would buy the same thing again. I might get a beam scale instead of the digital one though.
     
  11. ashecht

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    I am liking the cost of the LCT press from Kempf, plus the other items folks have listed. How about projectiles, primers, and powder? Can you order that stuff online, or where do you get it at a reasonable price? I see that Kempf doesnt sell that stuff online.
     
  12. IndyGunFreak

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    I agree w/ Rusty...

    20hrs? I can do 500rds on an LCT, in about 3hrs tops, and that's a fairly relaxed pace... Caliber changes take about 45-60sec, about 2min if you have to change primer size(which from the sounds of it, he won't), not to mention only run about $50 bucks(tool head and Lee dies)...

    IGF
     
  13. Colorado4Wheel

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    LCT from Kempfs. Add all the upgrades.

    From Midway

    - Extra 4 hole turret.
    - Extra Dies for the other caliber

    Harbour Frieght Dial Calipers/Or Dillon

    Dillon Scale

    Dillon Case Gauges for both calibers. They are cheap.

    Order you powder and Primers from Powder Valley Maybe start with Power Pistol if you shoot outside of WSF. Don't worry about primer brand too much. Just get 10K Small Pistol.

    I think thats it.
     
  14. Boxerglocker

    Boxerglocker Jacks #1 Fan

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    Buy your powder 1# at a time locally for now, WST/WSF is a good powder to start for both 9mm and .40, Same with the primers Small pistol is what you will need for both just get 1000 to start.
    Bullets you could get a 1000 of each from Precision Delta to get started, I would go with 115g FMJ in the 9mm and 180g FMJ in the .40, that will forfill there 2K minimum order requirements.
     
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  15. GioaJack

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    I'm being a good boy... I'm being a good boy... I can't type, the dog is sleeping on my oxygen hose.

    Good luck newb, take your time, don't try to do it all at once, it's a life long addiction. I'm told that there are even some old guys that do it. (Personally I find that rather hard to believe.)


    Jack
     
  16. IndyGunFreak

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    Usually online is your best bet... Just keep in mind, on Powder and Primers online, you're going to get hit w/ a $25 Hazmat charge. Go through the "Vendors" thread that is stickied in this forum...

    I've found a place locally that sells a wide variety of powders for pretty good prices, but his primer prices are high.. so I buy powder locally, and then order primers in 10-15k lots.... This is enough for me to offset shipping/hazmat, and avoiding local sales tax. If you're only going to order 1-2k primers.. you're better off finding a local place.

    Bullets, there's a lot of choices, but I think you'd find a lot of folks here like Precision Delta, Montana Gold, and Berrys'...

    I think the suggestion you pick up the ABC's of Reloading, and give it a read, is a good one... It will help you a lot understanding components, etc..

    Hope that helps..

    IGF
     
  17. Colorado4Wheel

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    Buy you Powder and Primers at the same time from Powder Valley. One hazemat. Saves money. Power Pistol is the same powder that Nato ammo uses so it will work just fine especially outside. Inside it has a good flash. WSF would be a better option.
     
  18. ron59

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    For bullets... Montana Gold and Precision Delta are your best bets. If you're only going to buy 1000, PD has the best prices. But if you can spring for a case (roughly 3000), MG gives a huge discount and comes out ahead.

    To REALLY save money, you have to buy the primers/powder in bulk, online. They charge a Hazmat shipping fee, that will drive the prices up. I *only* buy primers in quantity of 10,000 at a time, powder in 8lb jugs. However, I buy a 1lb jug locally first to make sure I like it. Or, you could get 10,000 primers and a couple different 1lb jugs online (they will combine the hazmat fee if the order is combined).

    So getting off the ground, you can dump quite a bit of money into your startup costs for components. Another option is to pay for your press setup and buy components locally (pay a little more) but just enough to get you buy for a month or two, before going on and buying your components in bulk.

    For a press... Can't say enough about the Dillon 550B. If that's a little higher than you think, maybe the Hornady LNL. If you're enjoying shooting now, the ability to make LOTS of ammo quickly (combined with the money you're saving) will just want to make you shoot more. But if you've bought a slower press... it will be tough to keep up. If you were to buy either of these presses.... I can guarantee you'd see 80% of your outlay returned if you decided you didn't like it and wanted to sell it.

    Here's a great series of videos about loading on a 550B. Note, that MUCH of this info would apply to ANY press you might buy. He discusses other equipment you might need such as scales and calibers. He discusses how to use a reloading manual. He also shows what each stage of a press accomplishes (resizing, priming, belling and powder drop, seating, crimping, etc).
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRZrb...eature=related
    There are 5 videos, at 10 minutes each for 50 minutes total. Great series, Dillon could almost use it as marketing material. It is literally what made me say "I can do this, and I want a 550B".

    Don't cheap out on the press... having a quality machine is going to make your work quicker/easier and trouble free. Whatever you decide... welcome to the club !!!
     
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  19. IndyGunFreak

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    The 550 is a fine press no doubt.. but the OP didn't really give any insight into his budget, etc.... A 550 is great, but not if he has a 250-300 budget.

    Put some A-1 sauce on our oxygen tube and watch what he does.. ;)

    IGF
     
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  20. EL_NinO619

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    Welcome you are starting off right by being here. There is a lot of useful information to be had. Get the ABC's book and take your time to figure out what you will need. Good luck.