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Reloading 101

Discussion in 'Reloading' started by Zombie Steve, May 16, 2011.


  1. GioaJack

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    Four things work pretty well for recovering brass.

    1) Grandkids. It pretty much only costs you a couple lollipops or a couple pieces of bubble gum but you've got to raise at least one kid first to get 'em. I'm still trying to decide if it was worth the effort just to save brass.

    2) A large tarp. Works well if you stand in a small area but if you're moving around a lot working up a sweat then it pretty much falls short of it's intended purpose. I'm not sure I understand all the running around anyway... that's why God invented rifles.

    3) The Brass Wizard. Little football shaped wire basket on a broom handle. Roll it along the ground and it picks up everything bigger than a .22. (Some .22's get caught in there, no big deal. Comes with a metal bracket that slips over the side of a plastic bucket. Place the wizard over it, twist, the wire bales spread open and the brass drops into the bucket. Works pretty well except for in deep or soft sand, the cases tend to sink into it instead of getting picked up. I would rate it as being 70% effective in soft sand, 95% plus effective on a harder packed surface or concrete/asphalt.

    4) Doggie pooper scooper rake and pan. Get 'em at Wally World, Petsmart, where ever. Short rake with a dustpan on a short pole. Works very well, even in deep sand. No bending down, can be very selective on what you rake up. Will rake in some sand but it's no big deal if you use a shell sorter or media separator... sand just falls into a bucket then toss it out.

    Oh, yeah, there is another way to salvage brass that won't break your back;

    SHOOT REVOLVERS


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  2. unclebob

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    Great. There goes another $50! :crying:

    (This reloading thing may send me back to my revolver yet.)
     
  4. unclebob

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    I have all of those and a couple more brass catchers. Working on building another brass catcher. Thought I would try and build one of these and give it a try.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1rfEZv_5Uo
     
  5. whenmonkeysfly

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    I've been reloading for about five years now. I started on a Forster CO-AX and eventually broke down and bought a Dillon 650XL a couple of years ago. Love both machines! I primarily load 10mm on the Dillon. I'm shooting and loading probably 1K of 10mm month. I have several Dillon "Quick Change" Tool Head/Powder Measures setup with favorite powders, bullet types etc. I shoot 10mm Glocks, Dan Wessons, Wilson Combat and have a couple of Smith and Wesson 610's 6 1/2" (cannons, they shoot anything!). All semi-autos have match barrels, Glocks have KKM Precision/Jarvis/Lone Wolf Barrels with full chamber support. I've tuned recoil springs (Wolff and/or Wilson) to accommodate my loads accordingly.

    My question/problem: OAL and Failure to Feed issues. All magazines are new. Fixed with the Glocks by shortening the OAL to ~1.245 (Max for 10mm is 1.260). Problem is much better with Dan Wesson's and not a problem with the Wilson Combat now that I have shortened the OAL. I use a taper crimp of .422. Loads are well within "Maximum" loadings for the 10mm and chronograph as expected. I primarily use Montana Gold CMJ's, FMJ's or JHP's. JHP's seem to feed more consistently. When measuring factory loads like Double Tap, I get OAL's all over the place, but consistently between 1.243 to 1.253. I have a Dillon Max Cartridge Gauge and check all my rounds through it. I also randomly check rounds for crimp and OAL with calipers. I need my rounds/guns to be 100%.

    Any suggestions, tips or feedback would be appreciated.

    -Jay (whenmonkeysfly)
     
  6. Zombie Steve

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    You might want to start a new thread for this.

    They all sit flush or slightly below in your cartridge gauge? How do they look when you drop them in a chamber? Do they sit flush or slightly below the barrel hood?

    If they work in your Glocks, are there any obvious rough spots on the feed ramps or breech faces of your other guns? Springs ok?
     
  7. whenmonkeysfly

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    Hey Steve!

    All are flush or slightly below in cartridge gauge and sit in barrel hood like the picture below:

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    Rounds in the Dan Wesson 1911 10mm seem to get stuck nose-diving in to the hood of the barrel. Feed ramps on the 1911's are significantly steeper than on my Glock barrels. All have done much better with polishing and then shortening the cartridge OAL. Springs are all good/new. I've been experimenting with 20 to 24 pound recoil springs and different loadings. My Glock 20 with a 6" KKM Precision Barrel now works 100% .

    I guess I'm just trying to rule-out problems with my handloads. I have generally had more feed problems when I loaded my rounds to maximum OAL (checked to make sure they weren't over max with a case gauge and caliper).

    Thought I throw this out to the handloaders on the GT forum since I think we have a lot of experience here. (I've got a bunch of Double Tap and Buffalo Bore, but I really don't want to shoot it all up doing function tests on my guns... kind of my emergency stash.) Plus my handloads are more consistent than most factory overall.

    I know you, Colorado and others here have a lot of experience reloading so I'm hoping for a collective, problem-solving solution.
     
  8. whenmonkeysfly

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    I found this Redding Cartridge Base Sizing Die and wanted to share on our reloading forum. It resizes the base of a .40/10mm case back to spec. I have even run out-of-spec rounds through it that work perfectly now. I'm pretty cheap and try to get the most from my brass. It works great on my 10mm Handloads. It will take the bulge out of the base of a case and remove Glock smilies (if you're not using a fully-supported, match barrel). Anyway, I wanted to share this on this forum:

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    Here's a MidwayUSA Link: http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=231187

    AND for the bottle adapter: http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=789703

    I primarily load on a Dillon 650XL. The Redding Base Sizing Die is on my Forster CO-AX Single Stage Press. Those rounds that don't fit in my 10mm Max Case Gauge, due to bulges, can be run through the Redding Base Die, making them usable again. Really cool!

    ***YOU CANNOT USE THE BOTTLE/BOTTLE ADAPTER ON A FORSTER CO-AX.*** The handle will not throw over the bottle. Most other single stage presses should work fine.
     
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  9. Kwesi

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    Jay: when I first entered the 10 ring all my brass was fired in a stock G20. I don't recall ever getting a bad smiley but the brass did all have a slight bulge near the rim. My 550 sizing die when screwed just about all the way down, while not able to remove the entire bulge, has resized most rounds enough that they fit in Dillons 10mm gauge. I do not recall having any feeding issues in the G20. I recently purchased a KKM barrel for proper support. Then I fell in love with a Tanfoglio Witness Limited 10mm and I'm having some of the feeding issues that your having with the flat nose of the FMJ sticking on the feed ramp. BTW: I remember the owner of KKM asking me what bullets I use because my answer might require him to modify the feed ramp. When I said Precision Delta he said nothing else was required. Until recently I was loading all my 10mm close to 1.260. When a few rounds FTL in the Witness I figured it was the OAL but last weekend when I was chronoing several loads I had it happen on the 1.253 OAL. All future loads are going to be between 1.244 - 1.250.

    Thanks for the tip on the Redding sizing die.
     
  10. whenmonkeysfly

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    Thanks for the input. My G20 with the KKM Precision Barrel eats the 1.245 - 1.250 readily. After some more research, I seeing a lot of folks suggesting that the 1911 likes a longer OAL, so my next experiment is to go with a 1.255 - 1.258 OAL in my Dan Wesson Razorback Limited 10mm. I will also try these again in my G20. I'll post my results in the next few days.

    Yep, I was excited to share the Redding Die info, because you can salvage your brass. Some of my hotter loads can be sized back down to spec with no trouble. Now when they start smearing headstamps, dropping primers and/or splitting I'll throw them away, but until then, I keep using 'em.
     
  11. Ridder

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    I always use COL instead of OAL....

    Cartridge Overall Length.....sounds logical to me.....

    OAL doesn't make sense to me......:dunno:
     
  12. whenmonkeysfly

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    C.O.A.L., C.O.L, O.A.L, and C.L., with or without the periods are all the same thing: Cartridge Length

    Here's a good read on the subject:

    http://thefiringline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2309974&postcount=22
     
  13. Colorado4Wheel

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  14. Zombie Steve

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    Oh Lord. Your going to put that picture in a STICKY? That is not really right you know.
     
  16. Zombie Steve

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    Jay: the FTF issues I was having in the witness limited 10mm are due to it not liking the shorter OAL's 1.244 - 1.247. Had a couple FTF's with GA Canned Heat around 1.246. So I loaded my reloads 1.248-1.252 & no more issues. Then I tested my loads 1.244-1.247 & the FTF's started again. Then I went back to my longer OAL & flawless. Finally back to my shorter OAL & FTF's again.

    BTW: I tested American Eagle 1.248-1.252 & Remington 1.252-1.254 & both factory rounds were flawless.

    I'm loading now to +/- 1.252.
     
  18. whenmonkeysfly

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    Thanks for the info. I'm still experimenting with different OAL's, and will try your suggestion.
     
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    This answered a question I was about to post here.

    Thanks for this info Zombie Steve.
     
  20. dango

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    Will to ......! :tongueout: Read it twiced and gonna read it more,
    as many times as it takes.

    Big thanks ! :supergrin: