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Religious Freedom? Or Racism?

Discussion in 'Religious Issues' started by High-Gear, Jul 6, 2012.

  1. void *

    void * Dereference Me!

    Those options are not mutually exclusive.

  2. High-Gear


    Mar 2, 2005
    I find the lack of condemnation from those who should see this as a corruption of their faith telling.

    I support their right to be bigoted a-holes, however they should not be tax exempt, nor free from ridicule.
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  3. fowl intent

    fowl intent

    Nov 27, 2006
    Southeastern NC
    But if that is part of their belief system, are they not entitled to exercise their freedom of religion just like everybody else? Dispicable as it may be.
  4. Kingarthurhk

    Kingarthurhk Isaiah 53:4-9

    Sep 5, 2010
    I am trying to understand how they describe themselves as Christian?

    Acts 8:26-40, "Now an angel <sup class="crossreference" value='(AF)'></sup> of the Lord said to Philip, <sup class="crossreference" value='(AG)'></sup>&#8220;Go south to the road&#8212;the desert road&#8212;that goes down from Jerusalem to Gaza.&#8221; <sup class="versenum">27 </sup>So he started out, and on his way he met an Ethiopian<sup class="footnote" value='[a]'>[a]</sup> <sup class="crossreference" value='(AH)'></sup> eunuch, <sup class="crossreference" value='(AI)'></sup> an important official in charge of all the treasury of the Kandake (which means &#8220;queen of the Ethiopians&#8221;). This man had gone to Jerusalem to worship, <sup class="crossreference" value='(AJ)'></sup> <sup class="versenum">28 </sup>and on his way home was sitting in his chariot reading the Book of Isaiah the prophet. <sup class="versenum">29 </sup>The Spirit told <sup class="crossreference" value='(AK)'></sup> Philip, &#8220;Go to that chariot and stay near it.&#8221;
    <sup class="versenum">30 </sup>Then Philip ran up to the chariot and heard the man reading Isaiah the prophet. &#8220;Do you understand what you are reading?&#8221; Philip asked.

    <sup class="versenum">31 </sup>&#8220;How can I,&#8221; he said, &#8220;unless someone explains it to me?&#8221; So he invited Philip to come up and sit with him.

    <sup class="versenum">32 </sup>This is the passage of Scripture the eunuch was reading:
    &#8220;He was led like a sheep to the slaughter,
    and as a lamb before its shearer is silent,
    so he did not open his mouth.
    <sup class="versenum">33 </sup>In his humiliation he was deprived of justice.
    Who can speak of his descendants?
    For his life was taken from the earth.&#8221;<sup class="footnote" value='[b]'>[b]</sup> <sup class="crossreference" value='(AL)'></sup>

    <sup class="versenum">34 </sup>The eunuch asked Philip, &#8220;Tell me, please, who is the prophet talking about, himself or someone else?&#8221; <sup class="versenum">35 </sup>Then Philip began <sup class="crossreference" value='(AM)'></sup> with that very passage of Scripture <sup class="crossreference" value='(AN)'></sup> and told him the good news <sup class="crossreference" value='(AO)'></sup> about Jesus.

    <sup class="versenum">36 </sup>As they traveled along the road, they came to some water and the eunuch said, &#8220;Look, here is water. What can stand in the way of my being baptized?&#8221; <sup class="crossreference" value='(AP)'></sup> <sup class="versenum">[37] </sup><sup class="footnote" value='[c]'>[c]</sup> <sup class="versenum">38 </sup>And he gave orders to stop the chariot. Then both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water and Philip baptized him. <sup class="versenum">39 </sup>When they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord suddenly took Philip away, <sup class="crossreference" value='(AQ)'></sup> and the eunuch did not see him again, but went on his way rejoicing. <sup class="versenum">40 </sup>Philip, however, appeared at Azotus and traveled about, preaching the gospel in all the towns <sup class="crossreference" value='(AR)'></sup> until he reached Caesarea."

    Last I checked, Ethopians were neither European nor white. Last I checked, neither were the disciples nor Jesus for that matter.
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  5. Yes, communists murdered 100 million innocents, and leftist dhimmis see no evil. Islam has murdered an estimated 280 million innocents (and counting -today's total of deadly Muslim attacks has reached 19,207), and leftist dhimmis see no evil. These facts constitute "a telling corruption of their faith" for sure.
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  6. High-Gear


    Mar 2, 2005
    A dhimmi is a non muslim in a muslim state. Are you using the word correctly?

    Anyway, who said the crimes of the communists or radical muslims were not evil? Lay off the pipe!


    Jun 11, 2001
    How is this racist when compared to the Congressional Black Caucus or any number of hundreds of black-only groups?

    This get together sounds like it may be in poor taste in these already racially tense times imho...but good for the goose, good for the gander...right?

    The black community continually and mechanically segregate themselves from the rest of society, refuse to assimilate and adopt the value system this country was founded on and make ANYTHING and EVERYTHING a racial they shouldn't be upset when some whites (albeit in poor taste) want to band together and have a little "white only" church get together..

    Now..if this group in Alabama is going to to emulate groups of the past, wear hoods, advocate killings and lynchings, attempt to intimidate and preach hate...I'm all for law enforcement getting involved.

    If they're preaching white-pride, preaching not be afraid to be proud of your white-culture etc...I'm all for it.. But I reckon that would be considered racist, right? White people can't be proud of their culture, only minorities..

    IMHO...just watch how "racist" this presidential race is going to get...should be entertaining..
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  8. Leftist dhimmis, of course.

    Remember how our Left supported the communists during the Cold War, especially in the Vietnam War? They got their wish: we lost, the commies won, and millions of innocent people in SE Asia were murdered in killing fields, or died as Boat People in flimsy craft trying to escape Uncle Ho's hell-hole. Lenin was correct when he called such foolish Westerners "useful idiots".

    Word meanings may change over time; for example the word 'gay'. The word 'dhimmi' can be used to designate Uncle Tom type traitors who support the enemy in their jihad against us these days. I suppose you could call them useful idiots, if you prefer, because this time, if they give the enemy victory, the genocide won't be merely in some faraway place, and these leftists will be surprised to find they're the first ones their beloved jihadist buddies behead.
  9. steveksux

    steveksux Massive Member

    Jul 12, 2007
    Put down the crack pipe. Everyone recognizes the Communists were murdering thugs while in power in Russia, China, Vietnam, etc. And just because people don't condemn every Muslim for the murders of the extremists doesn't mean they don't see evil in the extremists.

    Of course, by your logic, all Christians are contemptible because of the Westboro Baptist Church members protesting at soldiers funerals. A truly stupid idea if ever I heard one.

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  10. Let's see, Marx called for class war against 'the rich', and communists murdered 100 million innocents. And OWS types would no doubt like to continue this evil work.

    Mohammed called for jihad against 'the infidels', and Muslims have murdered 280 million innocents, and still counting daily.

    Jesus said love thy neighbor as thyself, and most Christians, if not exactly saints all the time, at least are not murderers, including your Westboro Baptists, obnoxious dumbkopfs though they may be.

    Sorry, your ad homs notwithstanding, I don't see any 'stupidity' or evidence of crack abuse here, except in your absurd moral equivalence argument.
  11. steveksux

    steveksux Massive Member

    Jul 12, 2007
    Any evidence outside of your crack pipe that OWS types have any intentions of murdering 100 million innocents?
    Prisons are full of American murderers. What does that say about Americans? With a few billion Muslims on the planet, its pretty obvious that most Muslims, if not exactly saints all the time, at least are not murderers.

    What of the American citizens who are Muslim? American troops who are Muslim?

    That's just it, you have to STOP smoking the crack FIRST, in order to see clearly. That's how it works.

  12. Remember that May Day Riot in San Francisco this year? The one where Dustin Boyer, a brave guy who works for a living (day job in real estate, own taco business too) followed hundreds of masked leftist thugs for 6 blocks, yelling at them to stop smashing car windows and storefronts? Do you really think such leftist layabouts ripping up street signs, throwing newspaper racks into the street, and even attacking police cars, would stop at murdering any who they deemed a "one percenter"/class enemy?

    And I see you still have nothing logical to bring to the discussion; just ad homs about crack pipes -say, you seem to know an awful lot about to share with us your experiences? Jesus can help you stop it, you know, but you have to want it.
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  13. High-Gear


    Mar 2, 2005
    So you discount the Crusades, the inquisitions, the conquering of the New World, The holocaust, the fire bombing of Dresden, the two A-bomb being dropped? How many people Have died at the hands of Christians?

    Snowbird, stop getting your info from and the like. How can you make the leap from Stalinist Russia to say OWS protesters would murder people. You lose any credability you may have had when you do this.
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  14. The Crusades were a belated, justifiable military response to centuries of Islamic aggression. I'll grant that they were poorly organized, squabbled far too much amongst themselves, and too often hijacked into very wrong tangential attacks against people who should not have been attacked. But with all their failings, the Crusades did buy European civilization time. And in time, Europe advanced while Islam stagnated, which allowed our side to survive..

    The Inquisition went wrong. It was human failure, evil, done in the name of God. But the Inquisition was eventually recognized as evil and it has been disbanded for centuries now, whereas Islamic evil is an ongoing clear and present danger as we speak. Can you see the difference?

    The "conquering of the New World" was not intended as such. It was explorers, settlers looking for religious freedom, businessmen, and many others with various motives, over a long period of time. Almost all of them were no worse than the various indigenous tribes who warred amongst themselves. If you're buying the Left's 'evil white people' lie, then why are you living here? That would make you complicit in this alleged wrong.

    The Holocaust was done by your side, the socialists. And the Muslims you support today feel kinship with Hitler for his anti-Semitic genocidal crimes. The freedom-loving side fought AGAINST the Holocaust perps.

    The fire bombing of Dresden was an act of war done in the heat of the moment, during a war to the death between the Allies (good guys, since you apparently don't know) and the Axis (the bad guys). Civilian deaths were co-lateral damage in pursuit of military goals, in a war that the Axis started. Hitler was originally voted in. Are you supporting the Hitlerites now too? Are you sorry that our side survived?

    The atomic bombing of Japan, another Axis power which started the war, helped end the war far sooner and with far less bloodshed, especially of innocent Allied personnel (including my father who was in the US Army at the time), than if they hadn't been used.

    Are you saying Americans, especially Christians, have no right of self-defense, to survive? It sure sounds like it. And it sounds like you're an Axis sympathizer.
  15. High-Gear


    Mar 2, 2005
    So the ends justify the means?

    So because one is happening now, and one was 200 years ago, one is less morally reprehensible?

    Why did they bring along priests and claim the land in the name of god and what ever country they were sailing for? Then force the conversion at the threat of death if they were looking for religious freedom? Oh and I am not liable for the sins of my fathers, that is your arena.

    Now I'm a NAZI, jihad supporter? How do you figure? Apparently anyone who does not agree with you falls into this catagory. I'll play, I think you are a secret muslim jihadi, Nazi, Communist, KKK, bisexual robot! Oh wait, I really don't have anything against bisexuals or robots, so I take that back.

    The fascist Nazis were also christians! Many of the top ones were confessing Catholics. Stop trying to rewrite history.

    Historians agree Dresden was of no military value and was destroyed with thousands of civillian refugees as an act of terror. Sorry you lose on that one. Just because I point out a mistake our side made does not make me a supporter of Hitler. You must be one of those who thought questioning the invasion of Iraq made you unamerican.

    I understand the a-bombs were dropped as a military tactic, however I was pointing out it was christians who made the decision and they felt justified, just like jihadi's feel justified. However instead of discussing idologies, you discuss acts. So I pointed out christian acts. Just because someone is christian does not prevent them from killing by the thousands.

    Oh and by the way, aren't you the one who cries about ad hom attacks, but jump to calling people Axis sympathizer, and hitlerite? Sheesh!
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  16. Revvv


    Jan 28, 2010

    I'm glad someone else made this statement before I did.

    Is it bad taste? Absolutely. I also feel that in a non-segregated free society that the black organizations are distasteful. Does that make me a racist? Not at all. Any time you have a group of people of a particular race separating themselves from the rest of society I feel they are doing nothing but trying to attract attention.

    There can be BET (Black Entertainment Television), but if there happened to be a channel that seemed to be dedicated to white people that would cause a political issue. We have black college funds and yet there is no such thing as a white college fund. I can keep going with this, but I am certain everyone gets the point. These organizations are doing nothing more than promoting prejudice attitudes and views as far as I can see.

    I can't help but ask in jest; Does it really surprise anyone that there is a gathering of white people separating themselves from the rest of the world in Alabama?

    I hope I have not offended anyone. I just call it like I see it. Equal means equal on all parts. There should not be an organization set up for one without the other. I am sure Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson would whine and complain about my comments, but they are nothing more than a contribution to civil problems. They are activists bent on fueling a fire that should have been put out years ago.
  17. Do you understand the difference between aggressors and self-defense? Of course those Christians felt justified because they were. The jihadists are waging aggressive warfare to conquer the world for Allah -that's imperialist aggression, totally unjust. They are in no way justified.

    As for 'Axis sympathizer', well, if the shoe fits, ya gotta wear it.

    Just sayin'.

    P.S. Good posts, Revvv and LAWDOGKMS.
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  18. High-Gear


    Mar 2, 2005
    Bat ****e crazy, if the shoe fits....
  19. So that's what you think of self-defense?

    R. Heinlein noted about pacifism:

    -it is a shifty doctrine under which a man accepts the benefits of the social group without being willing to pay -and claims a halo for his dishonesty. Lefties accept the freedom that American defenders bought so dearly, but refuse any such contribution themselves (or did you, by any chance, serve?), and dishonestly badmouth America's heroes.:upeyes: