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Discussion in 'Caliber Corner' started by GlockPistola, Jan 12, 2013.
For a Remington 870 Express Tactical for HD. So many choices out there.
any 00 will do the trick. some group the pellets tighter than others at 15yds. some are lower recoil too. you just need to try a few different ones out and see what you like. i certainly would not like to be busted with any 00 regardless of brand, i'm pretty sure a BG wouldnt know the difference either. I have a few of the PDX1 rounds too and they are good, just $$. if you live in an apartment #4 shot is actually good for SD and shown to not really penetrate beyond 2 walls of sheetrock.
If you want slugs, there is only one choice, Brenneke Special Forces Short Magnum, Used by the most elite LE Unit in America with plenty of real street results.
I, also, have an 870 Express Tactical. I load Federal Power-Shok Low Recoil 00 for HD. Its pattern really starts to open up at 7 yards. If you want something tighter look at Hornady or Federal with Flitecontrol.
Any quality 00 buck will do the trick.
#4 people shot is a fine choice too.
Federal makes some low recoil tactical 12 gauge rounds
that would be near perfect.
I personally use LE slugs in my Mossy pump 12 gauge.
But I'm I'm a handgun guy.
And will naturally go for a pistol first.
If I've emptied my HK45C three times and I'm still fighting?
The gloves come off and it's heavy artillery.
I'm not recommending that kind of response from others...
And my latest acquisition.
The commemorative FU Obummer AK.
Will be joining my HD arsenal soon...
Hard to pick a bad one IMO. Inside a house the distance is close enough that even the cheapest buckshot will pattern well enough to be effective and keep pellets on target.
Plain ol Walmart Remington, Federal, or Winchester 00 buck will be fine.
If you plan on using the same gun outside the house then I would step up to Hornady TAP, Federal LE 13200 Flite-control, or Winchester Ranger 00 buck.
I use Federal #4 buck in my HD shotgun, and Federal LE 00 buck in my patrol shotgun. I like the #4 inside the house. The pattern spreads fast, but is still on target at inside the house distances. 27 pellets is no joke.
In my patrol shotgun the Flite-control loads pattern nicely out to 40yds giving me an extra 15 yards of range.
Number 1 Buck Shot is good as each shot pellet is 30 caliber and there are more pellets than in a 00 Buck load.
Only two choices for me;
Winchester PDX1 - http://www.winchester.com/Products/New-Products/Pages/pdx1-12.aspx
Hornady 12g 00 buck critical defense - http://www.hornady.com/store/12-ga-00-Buckshot-Critical-Defense/
#4 vs 00 from 30' shot from my 1967 Browning A5.
The 00 was low recoil Winchester Ranger RA1200.
The #4 was high velocity RIO (Spain)
I suspect either one will provide sufficient discouragement.
Both purchased from SGAmmo before they got cleaned out of everything.
At HD ranges the downrange performance of your buckshot won't matter much, you'll be close enough that pretty much all the pellets are going to hit. 00 is a good standard for getting the job done, though some prefer to have more projectiles at the cost of penetration.
Some folks espouse the virtues of #4 given its lower penetration, but in gel tests #4 wasn't shown to have adequate penetration. That doesn't mean it won't stop a threat, but it might not be the immediate stopper a better penetrating round would be. Most BGs are going to top if shot with most anything of course, but there's always that one who doesn't seem to care if he's been shot, and won't stop until he's rendered entirely non functional. This is why 00 has been the gold standard.
If you can find it, I might suggest trying #1 buckshot. It has more projectiles than 00 but still enough mass as to achieve the needed 12" FBI standard for penetration. The greater number of projectiles means you'll be inflicting more wound channels with each shot, thus playing to the strengths of the shotgun, and that means more overall damage to the target and the greatest likelyhood of stopping.
In any event, either #1 or 00 are both excellent choices for HD and have a proven track record of successful defense, as well as use by police. I wouldn't doubt #4 would work for 99 out of 100 intruders, but there is a reason police moved away from it, and toward 00.
I'm loaded with #1 buckshot (Sellier & Bellot) with #4 (Remington) in reserve. Just about any 12 gauge buckshot will be effective for self-defense. What I'd like to know is the listing of loads that span the range from loose to tight loads and where each stands on that scale. Also, whether a loose or tight spread is preferable for close-in self-defense scenarios.
I use the 2 3/4" hi-vel 00Buck from Remington in my 18.5" 870 6+1.
I use OOO buckshot - 8 pellets per shell - .36 caliber pellets.
This looks like an evil "assault" shotgun ...... in the eye's of Biden...... (but personally I love it)
Biden can GTH. This is a great SG!
And they're not even in stock.
#1 Buck if you can find it, 00 if you can't.
What makes the #1 better than 00 is it has more "frontal area" than the 00 load. (Even though the pellets are smaller.) Frontal area of the shot pellet is what causes the damage as it passes through the target. Also 00 sometimes has too much penetration while #4 Buck doesn't have quite enough. #1 hits the sweet spot.
Great suggestions guys. I appreciate all the input.